Can you catch your own ball?

[mistersands]

So the rules say :

A CATCH occurs when a BALL SCORED over the TRUSS by a ROBOT’S ALLIANCE partner is POSSESSED by that ROBOT before contacting the carpet or HUMAN PLAYER

I'm a little confused. Does "that ROBOT" refer to the alliance partner who scored the ball over the truss, or the robot who has the alliance partner?

In other words, can you launch your ball over the truss and catch it on the other side? Or does it have to be separate robots?

[Whippet]

Originally Posted by mistersands

So the rules say :



I'm a little confused. Does "that ROBOT" refer to the alliance partner who scored the ball over the truss, or the robot who has the alliance partner?

In other words, can you launch your ball over the truss and catch it on the other side? Or does it have to be separate robots?

Yes, you can catch it. No, no catch points will be awarded.

[protoserge]

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[Alan Anderson]

The only way I can parse the rule cleanly is for "that ROBOT" to be the ROBOT whose ALLIANCE partner SCORED the BALL over the TRUSS. It is clear to me that you won't earn points for catching a ball you threw yourself.

[BBray_T1296]

But I (as "that ROBOT") am an ALLIANCE robot myself. My robot is just as much an ALLIANCE partner as the other two

[JohnSchneider]

Originally Posted by BBray_T1296

But I (as "that ROBOT") am an ALLIANCE robot myself. My robot is just as much an ALLIANCE partner as the other two

The rules clearly say that you cannot receive catch points off a ball that you also threw.

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by BBray_T1296

My robot is just as much an ALLIANCE partner as the other two

I am unable to make the leap to say that you are your own partner.

[jee7s]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

I am unable to make the leap to say that you are your own partner.

To understand alliances you must understand alliances. (a la the recursion quote).

But, seriously, I view the "partner" as referring to two different robots. The sentence is poorly worded and needs clarification, as the "that ROBOT" portion seems to indicate the same robot.

[JesseK]

It'd be kinda cool to do and particularly advantageous if both alliance partners aren't moving well. It's an edge case though.

[Bob Steele]

Originally Posted by mistersands

So the rules say :



I'm a little confused. Does "that ROBOT" refer to the alliance partner who scored the ball over the truss, or the robot who has the alliance partner?

In other words, can you launch your ball over the truss and catch it on the other side? Or does it have to be separate robots?

the rule states a robot's alliance partner throws and that robot catches.
That is probably being used as an adjective to delineate a reference to "a robot" It is grammatically awkward.

Better wording would be

A CATCH occurs when a BALL SCORED over the TRUSS by a ROBOT is POSSESSED by either of the two non-truss scoring ROBOTS from the same ALLIANCE as the truss scoring robot before contacting the carpet or HUMAN PLAYER

[thursam]

This kind of relates to the originally proposed question...
Do you HAVE to catch the ball thrown over the truss in order to get the truss points, or does the ball just have to be thrown over the truss to get those points?
I would ask on FRC Q&A, but it's not open yet, so I was hoping that someone on CD would be able to clarify for me.
Thanks.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by thursam

This kind of relates to the originally proposed question...
Do you HAVE to catch the ball thrown over the truss in order to get the truss points, or does the ball just have to be thrown over the truss to get those points?
I would ask on FRC Q&A, but it's not open yet, so I was hoping that someone on CD would be able to clarify for me.
Thanks.

You have to get the truss in order to get the catch. However, I see nothing indicating that a catch is necessary to get truss points.

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by EricH

You have to get the truss in order to get the catch. However, I see nothing indicating that a catch is necessary to get truss points.

Correct. Else there would be no point in awarding 10 points separately. If you had to do both things to make either count, then they would just have defined a 20-point task.

[Calvin Hartley]

Originally Posted by thursam

This kind of relates to the originally proposed question...
Do you HAVE to catch the ball thrown over the truss in order to get the truss points, or does the ball just have to be thrown over the truss to get those points?

Originally Posted by 2014 Game Manual

A BALL is considered SCORED over the TRUSS if a ROBOT causes a BALL to pass though the infinitely tall plane that is bounded by the top of the TRUSS and the TRUSS POLES toward the ALLIANCE’S GOALS (e.g. a red BALL towards the red GOALS). This plane is depicted in yellow in Figure 3-3.

The rule never mentions CATCHING the BALL in regards to TRUSS scoring. Read the manual for what it says, no need to assume anything else. It does not say you need to catch the ball to score. Hope this helps.

[thursam]

Originally Posted by Calvin Hartley

The rule never mentions CATCHING the BALL in regards to TRUSS scoring. Read the manual for what it says, no need to assume anything else. It does not say you need to catch the ball to score. Hope this helps.

Thanks guys. I thought that they didn't have to be coorelated, but I wasn't too sure.