4329's Drive Train

[Ryan Dognaux]

We received our painted frame and belly pan back last night and went about assembling our all gear drive (minus the gearboxes) -





Once we get our 3 CIM ball shifters in and get everything wired up I'll post a few more pictures.

The frame, wheels, gears & hardware are under 20 lbs. The frame is made from .090" 6061 T6 Aluminum. The center 3 wheels have a .100" drop from the outer wheels.

A big thanks to our sponsor Seyer Industries for making this possible. Also thanks to teams who have posted their inspirational all-gear driven designs in the past, I don't think we'll ever go back to chain or belts now.

Feel free to ask questions, thanks!

[Akash Rastogi]

So hexy <3

[Answer42]

Originally Posted by Ryan Dognaux

We received our painted frame and belly pan back last night and went about assembling our all gear drive (minus the gearboxes) -





Once we get our 3 CIM ball shifters in and get everything wired up I'll post a few more pictures.

The frame, wheels, gears & hardware are under 20 lbs. The frame is made from .090" 6061 T6 Aluminum. The center 3 wheels have a .100" drop from the outer wheels.

A big thanks to our sponsor Seyer Industries for making this possible. Also thanks to teams who have posted their inspirational all-gear driven designs in the past, I don't think we'll ever go back to chain or belts now.

Feel free to ask questions, thanks!

Under 20 for full gear drive. That's spectacular.

[Ryan Dognaux]

Originally Posted by Answer42

Under 20 for full gear drive. That's spectacular.

Without the gearboxes & CIM motors Once we get those the weight will easily double.

[Ryan Dognaux]

Tonight we got our 3 CIM ball shifters incorporated, the drive is mechanically complete awaiting controls and wiring:

[ksc1073]

And I thought our direct driven mecanum with sonic shifters was cool...

This is the most gorgeous drivetrain I've ever seen.

[Chadfrom308]

I cant see the pictures because my school blocks them But, I did see that your chassis weighed 20 lbs with hardware. That is very light! Now I cant see it, so help me out here. Did you guys bend your 6061 aluminum? We had a couple things bent out (like a battery box, and a claw for 2011) and our battery box was really weak at the bends. In fact, one match, we got a hard hit and the box cracked and we had to replace it.


Our chassis is water jetted 5052 aluminum. We got this idea from team 67's 2012 tech notes (Which I recommend everyone reads). We bought the stock 5052 sheet and gave it to Chrysler for water jetting since they only have 6061 stock.

Anyways, our frame is 10lbs without any wheels or gearboxes. We are getting it powder coated and we will put them on. Our prototype shooter weighs more than the whole chassis!

Edit: I saw the chassis! It looks really nice! You sure use a lot of rivets! By the way, changing http:// to https:// in almost any link that is blocked will let you go to that site

[Ryan Dognaux]

Originally Posted by Chadfrom308

I cant see the pictures because my school blocks them But, I did see that your chassis weighed 20 lbs with hardware. That is very light! Now I cant see it, so help me out here. Did you guys bend your 6061 aluminum? We had a couple things bent out (like a battery box, and a claw for 2011) and our battery box was really weak at the bends. In fact, one match, we got a hard hit and the box cracked and we had to replace it.


Our chassis is water jetted 5052 aluminum. We got this idea from team 67's 2012 tech notes (Which I recommend everyone reads). We bought the stock 5052 sheet and gave it to Chrysler for water jetting since they only have 6061 stock.

Anyways, our frame is 10lbs without any wheels or gearboxes. We are getting it powder coated and we will put them on. Our prototype shooter weighs more than the whole chassis!

Edit: I saw the chassis! It looks really nice! You sure use a lot of rivets! By the way, changing http:// to https:// in almost any link that is blocked will let you go to that site

Our sponsor did bend the 6061 T6 for us. We went with a larger bend radius hopefully to avoid cracking or fractures. This is our first year trying a sheet metal drive and our first year doing all-gear so I'm sure we'll learn a few things that we should or shouldn't have done for next year.

One other feature that I'm loving (so far) is that we don't have a flange on the bottom of the outside plate. This allows for very easy removal & insertion of our wheel assemblies. Our tube shafts are low enough in the frame that they act as support ribs. We're still considering adding additional standoff supports if needed once we start driving this with full weight.

[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by Ryan Dognaux

Our sponsor did bend the 6061 T6 for us. We went with a larger bend radius hopefully to avoid cracking or fractures. This is our first year trying a sheet metal drive and our first year doing all-gear so I'm sure we'll learn a few things that we should or shouldn't have done for next year.

One other feature that I'm loving (so far) is that we don't have a flange on the bottom of the outside plate. This allows for very easy removal & insertion of our wheel assemblies. Our tube shafts are low enough in the frame that they act as support ribs. We're still considering adding additional standoff supports if needed once we start driving this with full weight.

Beautiful drivetrain! 1983 accidentally cut some 1/16th 6061 on the waterjet in the pre-season and decided to try it rather than scrap it. We found it bent quite well when we used a large radius tool, and didn't show any issues with cracking in the corners. I am surprised that your shop was set up to bend 6061, since most sheet metal places I've worked with heavily encourage 5052.

Regarding the flange, I suspect your shafts will be enough support considering you'll have bumpers on the chassis during competitions. The only scenario of concern would be a point load low on the side panel in between shafts, and that's going to be hard to do with a flat field and bumper-to-bumper contact.

[sdcantrell56]

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54

Beautiful drivetrain! 1983 accidentally cut some 1/16th 6061 on the waterjet in the pre-season and decided to try it rather than scrap it. We found it bent quite well when we used a large radius tool, and didn't show any issues with cracking in the corners. I am surprised that your shop was set up to bend 6061, since most sheet metal places I've worked with heavily encourage 5052.

Regarding the flange, I suspect your shafts will be enough support considering you'll have bumpers on the chassis during competitions. The only scenario of concern would be a point load low on the side panel in between shafts, and that's going to be hard to do with a flat field and bumper-to-bumper contact.

We routinely bend 6061 in house as well, and just use larger bend radii to avoid cracking.

[roystur44]

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54

Beautiful drivetrain! 1983 accidentally cut some 1/16th 6061 on the waterjet in the pre-season and decided to try it rather than scrap it. We found it bent quite well when we used a large radius tool, and didn't show any issues with cracking in the corners. I am surprised that your shop was set up to bend 6061, since most sheet metal places I've worked with heavily encourage 5052.

Regarding the flange, I suspect your shafts will be enough support considering you'll have bumpers on the chassis during competitions. The only scenario of concern would be a point load low on the side panel in between shafts, and that's going to be hard to do with a flat field and bumper-to-bumper contact.

Evan,

6061 sheet stock comes in different tempers. T0 to T6. The T0 temper will bend easily. Heat treating after the bending process to get the part strong and stress free.

The T6 temper will crack if the radius is sharp. Another way to bend 6061 T6 is with a wrapper. The wrapper will make a large radius using sharp 1/32 inch dies.

[Ryan Dognaux]

We did a weight check tonight with everything we could think of that will be on the fully assembled robot. We may need to add weight

[Woolly]

30 pounds of LEDs?

[Justin Shelley]

Very impressive, look forward to seeing you in STL! Would you mind explaining how 10wd drive works? I would assume one of two ways.
1) Drop center and outer two are at same level
2) Wheels form an arc where the middle wheel is the lowest and the outer wheels are the highest.

extremely impressive either way