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Show off your welds!

I don't know if we've ever had a thread for teams to show off their welds and welded parts. So, let's do it! Here's one of mine from tonight. Probably not perfect, but I've never had a class in this, and I think it'll do for the purpose. I use a Miller Diversion 165 with a 3/32 tungsten and 3/32 filler rod. Box tube is 1/8" wall.
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Re: Show off your welds!

A jig and turntable set up to weld a tube to a plate.

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Our welders drank to much coffee last Sunday.

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This is by our best welder, A girl btw. Great work Jennifer!!!
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Re: Show off your welds!

In to see what other teams do. I TIG weld for my team, but this year's welds were... less that satisfactory. Don't TIG when you're exhausted kids.

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I don't know if we've ever had a thread for teams to show off their welds and welded parts. So, let's do it! Here's one of mine from tonight. Probably not perfect, but I've never had a class in this, and I think it'll do for the purpose. I use a Miller Diversion 165 with a 3/32 tungsten and 3/32 filler rod. Box tube is 1/8" wall.
Looks great sanddrag. Are you going to zip up the other sides too?

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This is by our best welder, A girl btw. Great work Jennifer!!!
When I taught welding almost all of the best welders were girls, and thus I am unsurprised They seem to have an inherent advantage over guys.
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Re: Show off your welds!

We welded most of our frame last year, and got some really pretty ones, too. I'll see if I can dig up some pictures.

This year, however, we're riveting almost everything together (with just a few welds.) This is due to our inability to repair a broken weld at a competition, which nearly ruined us at MSC last year.
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Re: Show off your welds!

unfortunately, we do not weld our robot but funny you should make this thread cause every year, the Drive team is fascinated by how smooth a perfect the welds are done on the driver station, im sure its done by a machine but every year the first thing we look at is the welds.
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unfortunately, we do not weld our robot but funny you should make this thread cause every year, the Drive team is fascinated by how smooth a perfect the welds are done on the driver station, im sure its done by a machine but every year the first thing we look at is the welds.
I would be stunned if a robot was used to weld such low-volume items as the player stations. A professional welder, or even a good amateur welder, can make some incredible looking welds.
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Re: Show off your welds!

We overdid the welding last year, and have almost gone the other way this year. Rivets and bolts. Similar case, worried that a repair on some critical parts that were welded would take us out of the competition.

But we have some interested students so this off season we will be practicing welding.

This was last years frame. Planned on a corner climber that didn't work out due to time and weight. And some of my early aluminum work.





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Re: Show off your welds!

Can you list your process parameters? (Things like filler alloy and thickness, base alloy and thickness, gas cup type and size, torch size, electrode type, size and point, current, voltage type and effect, gas mix and pre/post/welding flow, machine type, size, input voltage and duty cycle, joint preparation and position, etc..)

We might benefit from a thread about welding practices, material selection and post-weld heat treatment.
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Can you list your process parameters? (Things like filler alloy and thickness, base alloy and thickness, gas cup type and size, torch size, electrode type, size and point, current, voltage type and effect, gas mix and pre/post/welding flow, machine type, size, input voltage and duty cycle, joint preparation and position, etc..)

We might benefit from a thread about welding practices, material selection and post-weld heat treatment.

We used a Miller Diversion 180. 100% argon, and made sure the aluminum was really clean. That seems to be the key for aluminum. Used a stainless steel brush to mechanically clean the joints.

The Diversion 180 makes it easy, has presets for steel and aluminum. The only place where a bigger machine would have been nice is getting deep into corners and being able to change the frequency to drive th arc some more.

6061 aluminum, and 4043 (I think) filler. 3/32 tungsten and the cup for that size. Did not use a gas lens, but understand that can help. Part of the future practice sessions.

Mistakes made. Welded too much at once and heat warped the parts. Keep track of how much heat and take it slow. May mean restarting some beads part way through. Work far apart to minimize the heat.

The diversion is a good dual voltage unit as well. 120, and 240 with the change of a plug, just limits the upper end of the amperage provided. It is very light and easy to move as well.
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Re: Show off your welds!

A more advanced machine with current pulsing settings can work miracles for heat management, allowing beads to be welded continuously with little warping.

Alternatively the operator can pulse the pedal to get nearly the same effect, but that's a somewhat advanced technique. Something else to add to the practice list
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I don't know if we've ever had a thread for teams to show off their welds and welded parts. So, let's do it! Here's one of mine from tonight. Probably not perfect, but I've never had a class in this, and I think it'll do for the purpose. I use a Miller Diversion 165 with a 3/32 tungsten and 3/32 filler rod. Box tube is 1/8" wall.
Beautiful! The only thing I would have to say is to let off the pedal when you end the weld you got a little two hot at the end of that. Here is one of mine I use a Miller Diversion 180. I am a bit too hot at the start but it was hard became it was on a large alum truss so getting enough heat period was hard even after pre-heating with a MAP gas torch. Really nice weld though.

Weld: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7j...it?usp=sharing

Truss: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7j...it?usp=sharing
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Not amazing, but looked pretty good when powdercoated. To his credit, our welder was doing 1/16" tubing onto 1/4" plate.
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Re: Show off your welds!

Here's our frame. 100% welded.

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