Week 3 analysis

[safiq10]

For thouse who competeted or watched week 3 regionals what did you see/learn?

For us we learned that if you could grab the ball and hold on it to it to the point where it won't come out you would fairly well. Also a simple robot that could pass and defend was super great. Also defending 2 robots at once from getting the ball was something that became a super helpful skill.

[who716]

yes, we attended a week three event WPI and did extremely well because of the defense, when not controlling a ball we would completely shut down the opposing alliance from scoring, and we established our catapult so that we can shoot while getting defended worked real great

[Ryan Dognaux]

Pedestal delays were still occurring this week at St. Louis. We had one match where it never lit up after a cycle completed, after about 10 seconds of yelling about it we finally just grabbed it and threw it on the field anyway. Other times delays were around 5 seconds. Have that happen a few times in a match and it adds up.

[Woolly]

The 1 point goal is real.

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by Woolly

The 1 point goal is real.

This.

Two of the best shooters at the New York Tech Valley Regional, 20 and 1126 paired up for eliminations. Until finals, the alliance scored a total of 1 high goal during teleop.

#Lowgoalisbestgoal

[theawesome1730]

• The 1 point goal can be the Hail Mary of a match.

• 50 point penalties can still ruin a match and are still too frequent

• A good defense bot can make it to top 8 and pick in alliance selections (for example Firebirds 5119 who also happen to be rookies)

• you will leave with battle scars

• the MC will regularly call the game Aerial Assault (either intentionally or accidentally)

[troylu1124]

It is the foul points that win/lose many of the games. Also, the refs/volunteers seem to take their sweet time lighting up the pedestals and getting the balls back in play once ejected from the field.

Originally Posted by troylu1124

It is the foul points that win/lose many of the games. Also, the refs/volunteers seem to take their sweet time lighting up the pedestals and getting the balls back in play once ejected from the field.

Make sure you know what you're talking about before you make broad statements like that.

[troylu1124]

Originally Posted by tanmaker

Make sure you know what you're talking about before you make broad statements like that.

Sorry, my bad. At the NC and Palmetto regionals there were many instances where the pedestals would take up to 20 seconds to light up after a cycle ended. Also, if a ball was ejected from a robot out of the field, the volunteers seemed very confused with how to get the ball in play/who to give the ball to so they can get it into play, in some cases the ball was passed around the field only to be given to the human player who was next to the volunteer when the ball was collected.

[pabeekm]

Originally Posted by troylu1124

Sorry, my bad. At the NC and Palmetto regionals there were many instances where the pedestals would take up to 20 seconds to light up after a cycle ended. Also, if a ball was ejected from a robot out of the field, the volunteers seemed very confused with how to get the ball in play/who to give the ball to so they can get it into play, in some cases the ball was passed around the field only to be given to the human player who was next to the volunteer when the ball was collected.

It's also worth noting though that most of these errors were just during practice matches on the first day, and when such errors did determine the outcome of a qualification or elimination match, the refs did the right thing and decided that a replay was in order.

[ehfeinberg]

Originally Posted by pabeekm

It's also worth noting though that most of these errors were just during practice matches on the first day, and when such errors did determine the outcome of a qualification or elimination match, the refs did the right thing and decided that a replay was in order.

Not all the time at NC. 449 had to replay match 4 because the pedestal did not light up for a few seconds. However we were not allowed to replay other matches (such as match 30) when an auto ball was not returned to the field for close to a minute preventing normal cycles from starting.

Refs were very inconsistent with replaying matches when cycles took abnormally long to start.

[pabeekm]

Originally Posted by ehfeinberg

Not all the time at NC. 449 had to replay match 4 because the pedestal did not light up for a few seconds. However we were not allowed to replay other matches (such as match 30) when an auto ball was not returned to the field for close to a minute preventing normal cycles from starting.

Refs were very inconsistent with replaying matches when cycles took abnormally long to start.

Sorry to hear that. I was referring mainly to Palmetto. It's a real shame how hard this game is on the refs and volunteers with the long list of things to look out for and keep track of.

[safiq10]

In Dallas I heard a lot of G28 but G40 is something I didn't hear. The only foul I disagree with is that another teams ball flew into the air and landed in our robot and we were pinned. We discarded the ball immediately but were given a foul that I found unfair.

[ehfeinberg]

Originally Posted by troylu1124

Sorry, my bad. At the NC and Palmetto regionals there were many instances where the pedestals would take up to 20 seconds to light up after a cycle ended. Also, if a ball was ejected from a robot out of the field, the volunteers seemed very confused with how to get the ball in play/who to give the ball to so they can get it into play, in some cases the ball was passed around the field only to be given to the human player who was next to the volunteer when the ball was collected.

At NC it wasn't just the pedestals not lighting up correctly. The blue alliance assist points were often not correctly scored. There were matches where upwards of 30 - 40 assist and truss points were not being scored.

[Qbot2640]

Originally Posted by troylu1124

Sorry, my bad. At the NC and Palmetto regionals there were many instances where the pedestals would take up to 20 seconds to light up after a cycle ended. Also, if a ball was ejected from a robot out of the field, the volunteers seemed very confused with how to get the ball in play/who to give the ball to so they can get it into play, in some cases the ball was passed around the field only to be given to the human player who was next to the volunteer when the ball was collected.

The pedestal problem was not as bad in NC as it was in Palmetto (from the matches I saw - I was in the Pit quite a bit), but the volunteers slowly returning the ball was huge in some matches. Some ejected balls were very casually carried around in a random manner. Better training for these volunteers and perhaps red and blue vests for human players to make them more visible. I strongly recommend teaching your human players to follow the ball with their eyes and make themselves very obvious in readiness to receive.