Teams Holding Multiple Spots For Championships

[eli2410]

So, according to my current math, there are 389 spots that will be assigned for championships at the moment. Normally, there are 400 teams, meaning there are 11 spots. However, I know there are a couple teams that hold multiple spots at the moment, because they weren't able to pass down their wild card. The purpose of this thread is to identify these teams, so as to figure out how many extra spots there are for teams coming off the waitlist.

16, Baxter Bomb Squad: 2000 World Chairman's Winner, 2014 Arkansas Winner (Past Years Results do not effect wild cards)

20, The Rocketeers: Original Sustaining Team, 2014 New York Tech Valley Winner (Only a team that's won a Regional can hand down another regional winning spot)

148, Robowranglers: Original Sustaining Team, 2014 Dallas Winner (Only a team that's won a Regional can hand down another regional winning spot)

254, The Cheezy Poofs: 2004 World Chairman's Winner, 2014 Central Valley Winner (Past Years Results do not effect wild cards)

359, Hawaiian Kids: 2011 World Chairman's Winner, 2014 Northern Lights Winner (Past Years Results do not effect wild cards)

610, The Coyotes: 2013 World Winner, 2014 Greater Toronto West Winner (Past Years Results do not effect wild cards)

842, Falcon Robotics: 2008 World Chairman's Winner, 2014 Arizona Winner (Past Years Results do not effect wild cards)

1241, THEORY6: 2013 World Winner, 2014 Greater Toronto West Chairman's Winner (Past Years Results do not effect wild cards)

1477, Texas Torque: 2013 World Winner, 2014 Dallas Chairman's Winner (Past Years Results do not effect wild cards)

1986, Team Titanium: 2014 Central Illinois Winner, 2014 Central Illinois Chairman's Winner (Chairman's Spots can't be handed down and don't count as a way to hand down a Wild Card Spot)

Total Number of Spots Opened By These Teams For Waitlist Teams: 11

Please add more to the thread if you know of anyone else that is taking multiple spots like this.

[FrankJ]

2974, Walton Robotics Palmetto EI & Peachtree Chairmans

[pntbll1313]

3313, Mechatronics: 2014 10,000 Lakes winner, 2014 10,000 Lakes Chairman's Winner

[Steven Donow]

By my math, (assuming 55 regionals and 6 spots given at each, 55 regionals was determined by counting regionals on TBA, I might have messed up), that gives 330 spots via regionals. Add in 32 FiM spots, 18 MAR, 24 PNW, and 24 NEFIRST spots, that gives 428. In the end, that means there will be probably less than 11 waitlist slots, as there are more spots given than available to account for declined slots.

[eli2410]

Originally Posted by Steven Donow

By my math, (assuming 55 regionals and 6 spots given at each, 55 regionals was determined by counting regionals on TBA, I might have messed up), that gives 330 spots via regionals. Add in 32 FiM spots, 18 MAR, 24 PNW, and 24 NEFIRST spots, that gives 428. In the end, that means there will be probably less than 11 waitlist slots, as there are more spots given than available to account for declined slots.

Where do you get the 32 FiM spots, 18 MAR, 24 PNW, and 24 NEFIRST spots?

Originally Posted by FrankJ

2974, Walton Robotics Palmetto EI & Peachtree Chairmans

Originally Posted by pntbll1313

3313, Mechatronics: 2014 10,000 Lakes winner, 2014 10,000 Lakes Chairman's Winner

Congratulations to both teams!

3284, Camdenton 4-H LASER Team: 2014 St. Louis Winner, 2014 St. Louis Chairman's Winner (Chairman's Spots can't be handed down and don't count as a way to hand down a Wild Card Spot)

Total Number of Spots Opened By These Teams For Waitlist Teams: 14

[Steven Donow]

Originally Posted by eli2410

Where do you get the 32 FiM spots, 18 MAR, 24 PNW, and 24 NEFIRST spots?

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...80%93More-Info

[Chris is me]

340 and 1511 both won Chairmans and EI this year, so that's two more.


Really, really wish we were on the wait list now.

[eli2410]

Originally Posted by Steven Donow

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...80%93More-Info

If you read it, it says that it includes teams that are prequailifed. So, you're counting those teams twice.

Originally Posted by Chris is me

340 and 1511 both won Chairmans and EI this year, so that's two more.


Really, really wish we were on the wait list now.

We are, but didn't pay, because there hasn't been an option for it yet.

Total Number of Spots Opened By These Teams For Waitlist Teams: 16

[Steven Donow]

Originally Posted by eli2410

If you read it, it says that it includes teams that are prequailifed. So, you're counting those teams twice.


We are, but didn't pay, because there hasn't been an option for it yet.

Total Number of Spots Opened By These Teams For Waitlist Teams: 16

The point that I'm trying to make is that teams winning these multiple spots don't automatically generate waitlist spots-they just bring the number of 'winnable/won' spots closer to 400

[SteveGPage]

836, Pittsburgh Winners and EI.

[eli2410]

Originally Posted by SteveGPage

836, Pittsburgh Winners and EI.

Congratulations!
Total Number of Spots Opened By These Teams For Waitlist Teams: 17

[rutzman]

2614, Smoky Mountain Winners and RCA

[Jon Stratis]

There are 54 regionals, according to http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...egional-events

54x6 spots = 324

There are 27 prequalified teams.

District allocations are:
FiM 32
MAR 18
NE 24
PNW 24

Note district restrictions for counting:

hese allocated slots are guaranteed to the Districts. These slots will be made up of qualifying award winners from the District Championship (for example, the Chairman’s Award winners), along with any qualifying award winners among district teams who traveled to Regionals, plus the teams on the final District ranking list, as deep in the ranking list as the district needs to go to fill their allocation. If a District team earns a slot at the FIRST Championship, but is not able to attend for whatever reason, the top ranked team who has not yet been offered a slot is given the opportunity, and so on, until all slots are filled. As noted in the summary document, District teams earning FIRST Championship slots at Regionals do count against the District allocation. Even though a District team may earn their FIRST Championship slot at a Regional, they are still from the District and can be considered part of the District contingent to the Championship. Not counting these slots against the District allocation would allow District representation to exceed their fair share of available slots at the FIRST Championship. Also, it’s important to remember that while a District team can travel to a Regional to earn a slot, it’s not possible for a non-District team to earn a slot within the District system.

324 + 27 + 32 + 18 + 24 + 24 = 449 teams

There are a number of ways to reduce this number:

- A single team uses multiple spots at the same regional. For example, regional winners plus Chairmans/EI/Rookie Allstar.
- A pre-qualified team earns a regional or district spot.
- A district team attends a regional and earns a spot.

Thus far, we have nowhere near enough teams that have used multiple openings to even approach using the wait list. The question really should be "What percentage of teams earning a spot at Champs aren't going to attend?" - I doubt we'll hit the wait list any other way.

[Al Skierkiewicz]

Have you forgotten about the reserved spaces for the Week 6 and district champs in your calculations?

[eli2410]

Originally Posted by rutzman

2614, Smoky Mountain Winners and RCA

Congratulations!
Total Number of Spots Opened By These Teams For Waitlist Teams: 18

Originally Posted by Jon Stratis

Thus far, we have nowhere near enough teams that have used multiple openings to even approach using the wait list. The question really should be "What percentage of teams earning a spot at Champs aren't going to attend?" - I doubt we'll hit the wait list any other way.

Already know that a couple qualified teams aren't going. I'm still going to call the number above the same thing.