Humans Stacking Crates

[Mineboy2300]

In looking at the rules during the kickoff, we noticed that there is no rule saying that the human player cannot stack up 2 totes under the chute. this would allow a robot to simply push the stack into position saving a considerable amount of time. is this a legal srategy?

[KevinG]

Assuming it actually works when you do it, no there isn't a rule prohibiting it.

[theCADguy]

Yes, this seems to be legal and is a pretty good idea. There is no rule against doing so. However, its probably better to develop a system that can collect and stack within or near the robot, due to the fact that the human player station takes some extra time (load the tote and open the gate), and because the human player station may be unreliable in creating stacks in this manner. Also, if you had a mechanism to do it, you could create larger stacks that are worth more points, and that can be topped off with a container and noodle.

[staplemonx]

We did some mock testing today and showed it can be done pretty easily. we also looked at building a 2 tote, 1 container stack and seeing if the noodle chute would allow us to turn it from an 18 point stack to a 24 point stack. so far it look doable, but the noddle will need to bend just right. we are going to build the human station to test this out this week. If it works all we would have to do is put a container on the two human stacked totes and then push or lift the bottom tote for the score.

[jds2001]

Do keep in mind G6, which I think is designed to prohibit things like this:

G6 A single ALLIANCE member may not be in contact with both a TOTE and the CHUTE DOOR simultaneously..

From where the CHUTE DOOR is located, it may well be impossible to satisfy the requirements of this rule (i.e. your ROBOT would be in contact with the TOTE, and your HUMAN PLAYER would be in contact with the CHUTE DOOR)

Or perhaps I've completely misunderstood the rule, or your strategy.

[Christopher149]

Originally Posted by jds200

Do keep in mind G6, which I think is designed to prohibit things like this:

From where the CHUTE DOOR is located, it may well be impossible to satisfy the requirements of this rule (i.e. your ROBOT would be in contact with the TOTE, and your HUMAN PLAYER would be in contact with the CHUTE DOOR)

Or perhaps I've completely misunderstood the rule, or your strategy.

I think the meaning of G6 is that a human player can't open the chute door and then forcibly push the tote onto the field.

Edit: meaning that if the second tote falls naturally by gravity onto the first, then it should be legal.

[Sparkyshires]

Originally Posted by Christopher149

I think the meaning of G6 is that a human player can't open the chute door and then forcibly push the tote onto the field.

Edit: meaning that if the second tote falls naturally by gravity onto the first, then it should be legal.

Yup, that's it. You can't set it where you want. So long as a human isn't physically contacting both, your fine.

[akgsteelers]

I believe this rule is stating that a human player is not able to open the chute, while still holding onto the tote, therefore being able to place the tote however he/she wants onto the field.

[StephenNutt]

I'd like to know how quickly a human player can safely put 6 totes through the chute (assuming the robot is capable of moving the totes out of the way fast enough to keep the chute exit clear - say a conveyer belt). Has anyone built the human player station and able to time this? An approximate time is good enough - are we talking 10 seconds, 15?

Thanks

Steve

[Bruceb]

so G6 A single ALLIANCE member may not be in contact with both a TOTE and the CHUTE DOOR simultaneously..

please not the word SINGLE.
There are 3 HP's and only 2 alliance stations.
Can one HP open the door while the second HP pushes the bin through?
Or for that matter can one HP hold the door open while the second does a continuous feed or some version of that?

[pntbll1313]

Originally Posted by Bruceb

so G6 A single ALLIANCE member may not be in contact with both a TOTE and the CHUTE DOOR simultaneously..

please not the word SINGLE.
There are 3 HP's and only 2 alliance stations.
Can one HP open the door while the second HP pushes the bin through?
Or for that matter can one HP hold the door open while the second does a continuous feed or some version of that?

As long as you are sure that only 1 Human player is actually located in the zone.

G5 Only one ALLIANCE member may be in each HUMAN PLAYER ZONE at a time.
VIOLATION: FOUL. Additional FOUL for each TOTE entered onto the FIELD while in violation of this rule.

[aztecprincess98]

That is interesting, humans can stack the totes, it is true that this year, change has come.

[Sparkyshires]

Originally Posted by aztecprincess98

That is interesting, humans can stack the totes, it is true that this year, change has come.

Yup. arrrggghhh, they were doing so well with the spectator sports! My 84 year old grandma screamed herself hoarse last year from excitement at the competition. Does anyone think that's really gonna happen this year?

my $0.02

[IronicDeadBird]

Originally Posted by staplemonx

We did some mock testing today and showed it can be done pretty easily. we also looked at building a 2 tote, 1 container stack and seeing if the noodle chute would allow us to turn it from an 18 point stack to a 24 point stack. so far it look doable, but the noddle will need to bend just right. we are going to build the human station to test this out this week. If it works all we would have to do is put a container on the two human stacked totes and then push or lift the bottom tote for the score.

I am assuming you had it land on the ground you didn't elevate it to simulate a robot at all?

[RoboChair]

Relevant link here of it being tried.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h928...ure=youtu.be&a