Very interesting Elimination Match Winner determination

[topgun]

Section 5.4.3 is very interesting. "The four (4) ALLIANCES with the highest average scores in their Quarterfinal MATCHES will advance to the Semifinals." You are not playing against just the other alliance you are matched against in your bracket, but the other seven alliances.

[Hallry]

Technically, you could end up playing against the same alliance in the Quarterfinals, Semifinals, and Finals.

[jtrv]

Yep. I think it's an interesting change. This will mean a lot more "intense" (dunno how intense this thing can get) semis and finals, but WAY less cinderella stories.

[alopex_rex]

If I understand it right, this gets rid of the element where the lowest seed alliances got quickly knocked out by the high seeds in the quarterfinals. That's the correct way to do a bracket, to make the later matches most exciting, but it's awfully hard on the 8th seed alliance. The new way still has the weakest teams getting out earliest, but puts all the alliances on equal footing.

[who716]

with this format you could also technically lose every single match in qualifying be an alliance captain lose every match in the playoffs and just end up winning the finals match to win the compitition,

i think its going to be interesting to see how many team can win there event with out winning many quals and playoffs

[Jacob Bendicksen]

It almost reminds me of what the district point structure did for the teams that were always the bridesmaid, never the bride - it got them a ticket to St. Louis.

The old bracket wasn't really fair to the #8 seed - even though they did better than all but 7 teams at the event, they still usually got crushed by the #1 alliance. This change gives #8 a decent chance, assuming that they can put together a set of complementary robots.

[ThunderousPrime]

Originally Posted by Jacob Bendicksen

The old bracket wasn't really fair to the #8 seed - even though they did better than all but 7 teams at the event, they still usually got crushed by the #1 alliance. This change gives #8 a decent chance, assuming that they can put together a set of complementary robots.

The eight seed captain was almost never the eighth ranked team because of inter picking in the top 8. It it is usually the 11th, 12th or 13th ranked team because of that interpicking. I don't think that this evens things out that much because the very best teams will be the ones ranked the highest. IMO the only chance a lower seeded alliance has to advance is if they improve from their qualification performance significantly.

[Zebra_Fact_Man]

Originally Posted by who716

with this format you could also technically lose every single match in qualifying be an alliance captain lose every match in the playoffs and just end up winning the finals match to win the compitition,

i think its going to be interesting to see how many team can win there event with out winning many quals and playoffs

Technically there are no W/L until the finals. Like 2001, the only thing that matters (and will be recorded) is the score you rack up. Building up a comfy lead and then cruising won't cut it this year. Every second of every match counts.

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by Zebra_Fact_Man

Technically there are no W/L until the finals. Like 2001, the only thing that matters (and will be recorded) is the score you rack up. Building up a comfy lead and then cruising won't cut it this year. Every second of every match counts.

As a driver I think its less pressure if you just have to keep scoring not your not trying to "win" the match. Your practice would be like your matches. It's only until the finals that it would change.

[who716]

Originally Posted by Zebra_Fact_Man

Technically there are no W/L until the finals. Like 2001, the only thing that matters (and will be recorded) is the score you rack up. Building up a comfy lead and then cruising won't cut it this year. Every second of every match counts.

ik there are no wins or loses recorded till the finals what i meant was you could score less pointe then the opposing team, every time you go oout onto the field and still make it to finals.

[Zebra_Fact_Man]

Originally Posted by orangemoore

As a driver I think its less pressure if you just have to keep scoring not your not trying to "win" the match. Your practice would be like your matches. It's only until the finals that it would change.

This feels like an Electoral College vs General vote debate. In all honesty, I'm not sure which one is better.

Originally Posted by who716

ik there are no wins or loses recorded till the finals what i meant was you could score less pointe then the opposing team, every time you go oout onto the field and still make it to finals.

I'm not sure that is mathematically possible, considering the random alliance pairing set in place.

[nicholsjj]

Yes in a way the 1st or 8th alliance can have a "kissing your sister" sort of Playoff bracket where they loss but get to go on against the same alliance in three straight rounds. Personally I think this hurts the 4-6 ranked alliances more since they don't get the "underdog" alliance that just happened to make it in three against a top seed and the get more hurt on the picks strategy wise. The good thing this does is get the better alliances to trend through to the final spots.

[Monochron]

Originally Posted by jtrv

Yep. I think it's an interesting change. This will mean a lot more "intense"

I would actually say less so. At the conclusion of a match there won't be the tension of who won or if a certain alliance was moving on, it will just be; okay that looks like a good score to add to their average.

I'm not saying it's a bad system though. It's really interesting and I can't wait to see it. Less exciting though.