G28, Q&A 83, and Noodling a Can Without Touching it

[nuclearnerd]

There was a RI3D video that talked about holding the can up a bit, or at an angle to allow humans to noodle a can easily. The recent Q&A posting below suggests to me that your robot can't be touching a can *at all* as a noodle is introduced through the litter chute. This makes making noodled stacks *much harder*. Thoughts?

https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...-it-is-exiting

Edit - the rule in question is G27

[EricH]

Originally Posted by nuclearnerd

There was a RI3D video that talked about holding the can up a bit, or at an angle to allow humans to noodle a can easily. The recent Q&A posting below suggests to me that your robot can't be touching a can *at all* as a noodle is introduced through the litter chute. This makes making noodled stacks *much harder*. Thoughts?

https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...-it-is-exiting

I saw the same thing. Gimme a minute or five and a followup question addressing this will be up.

EDIT: FRC3373 thought the same thing. I also have another question, though.

[asid61]

As long as the robot is not controlling the noodle as it comes out the chute it should be okay. Ask on Q&A though just in case.
That answer means you can't grab the tote from the chute midway.

[nuclearnerd]

But the text of G27 is "ROBOTS and anything they control, e.g. a TOTE, may not contact anything outside the FIELD."

So if you control (touch?) a can, and you feed a noodle into it, if the noodle touches the lid at all, you violate G27 (in my reading).

[cglrcng]

Originally Posted by asid61

As long as the robot is not controlling the noodle as it comes out the chute it should be okay. Ask on Q&A though just in case.
That answer means you can't grab the tote from the chute midway.

The video was quite specific. It showed Enter Tote in Chute...MOVE HANDS AWAY....one hand on chute door handle, lift, Tote slides onto field.

Enter another, release, and it will stack 2...pick up Totes off of floor with Robot after capping RC w/ hand fed Litter...Go stack it....Easy Peasy.

[EricLeifermann]

Originally Posted by cglrcng

The video was quite specific. It showed Enter Tote in Chute...MOVE HANDS AWAY....one hand on chute door handle, lift, Tote slides onto field.

Enter another, release, and it will stack 2...pick up Totes off of floor with Robot after capping RC w/ hand fed Litter...Go stack it....Easy Peasy.

That would be awesome if the totes actually land right side up but i think i'm averaging about 95% that it ends up on its short side....

[cglrcng]

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann

That would be awesome if the totes actually land right side up but i think i'm averaging about 95% that it ends up on its short side....

Are you using the real field chute (with the actual as built official field construction materials), or the wooden Team Field elements. Theirs in the vid...(Don't know how many takes it took them though, to call the tote chute video cut "a wrap" either), landed top up in perfect shape and ready to receive tote#2.

Knocking them down from on end, or righting upside down totes, would be a real game killer.

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by cglrcng

Are you using the real field chute (with the actual as built official field construction materials), or the wooden Team Field elements. Theirs in the vid...(Don't know how many takes it took them though, to call the tote chute video cut "a wrap" either), landed top up in perfect shape and ready to receive tote#2.

Knocking them down from on end, or righting upside down totes, would be a
real game killer.

Off-topic, but be careful with that. It seems that they do in fact like to land on their side, even on the official fields.

[Navid Shafa]

After a single day away from CD, I come back to find my team's main strategy technically illegal. GDC pls...

[nuclearnerd]

Heh. My reaction was a version of that too

[cglrcng]

I was only kidding. I hated the thought of TNA. (Took the fun out of the game).

[DarrinMunter]

Game - The Game » Game Rules » Human Actions

Q54 Q. Can a human player hold on to litter while it is simultaneously touching the recycle bin ?


A. Yes, there are no rules prohibiting that.


I guess the robot will have to let go of the container first, then have the noodle loaded, and then the robot can re-grab the tote/recycle bin.
Will need to re-ask the GDC about this and be more specfic.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Munter2081

Will need to re-ask the GDC about this and be more specfic.

Somebody already asked. Given the speed of response this year, I suspect we'll see something by the end of the day.

[linzerin]

https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...-held-by-robot

Using a human player to feed litter into the container is legal per Q&A 34.

[Thad House]

Originally Posted by linzerin

https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...-held-by-robot

Using a human player to feed litter into the container is legal per Q&A 34.

But the question is that might change depending on if a robot is controlling said container, according to G27.