qualifying or eliminations style robots

[nuggetsyl]

I am wondering what kind of robots we will see this season. Robots built to qualify or play the elims. They are 2 very different robots IMO. Yes you will have the few, the proud, the 254's (poofs), but that is not what 99.99% of FIRST can do.

[tindleroot]

I think most teams that play qualifiers well can do well during elims, but those teams will require enough quality scouting to spot the low-seeded team that stacks a recycling bin very well in order to win elims. The robots that stack bins but not totes will be almost purely elimination robots, whereas stackers will show more through qualifiers.

[dellagd]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

I think most teams that play qualifiers well can do well during elims, but those teams will require enough quality scouting to spot the low-seeded team that stacks a recycling bin very well in order to win elims.

Teams always need high quality scouting if they are looking to win.

[xXhunter47Xx]

IMO, I don't think you can get to elims if your robot can't play to qualify.
If you have robot that can pick up TOTES and CONTAINERS in any orientation and have them stack stably, you will be able to compliment any robot.

[John Retkowski]

Elims are the same game as qualifiers. The only thing removed is coop points.

That being said it doesn't really come down to a change in robots. It comes down to a change in strategy.

[nuggetsyl]

Originally Posted by John Retkowski

Elims are the same game as qualifiers. The only thing removed is coop points.

That being said it doesn't really come down to a change in robots. It comes down to a change in strategy.

I disagree but I guess we will find out.

[TylerS]

Originally Posted by nuggetsyl

I disagree but I guess we will find out.

Can you be more specific as to what you think some hard differences we will see between good qualification and good elimination robots?

[nuggetsyl]

Originally Posted by TylerS

Can you be more specific as to what you think some hard differences we will see between good qualification and good elimination robots?

Stacking robots and RB placers are what they are. But IMO what people do in Auto will be what wins this years game. From what I am reading most teams do not understand the math of the game. The difference in qualifying or eliminations style robots will be auto and that will have to be built into the design. Qualifying will focus on yellow bins and elimination will not.

[TylerS]

Originally Posted by nuggetsyl

Stacking robots and RB placers are what they are. But IMO what people do in Auto will be what wins this years game. From what I am reading most teams do not understand the math of the game. The difference in qualifying or eliminations style robots will be auto and that will have to be built into the design. Qualifying will focus on yellow bins and elimination will not.

I agree that auto will make or break an elimination alliance, especially at higher levels of competition. Playing nice with your own alliance during those first few seconds are of the utmost importance.

[John Retkowski]

Originally Posted by nuggetsyl

Stacking robots and RB placers are what they are. But IMO what people do in Auto will be what wins this years game. From what I am reading most teams do not understand the math of the game. The difference in qualifying or eliminations style robots will be auto and that will have to be built into the design. Qualifying will focus on yellow bins and elimination will not.

Ah that makes sense. I had discounted auto. In eliminations, especially as events get more competitive, alliances auto will definitely be a deciding factor.

[mrnoble]

Originally Posted by nuggetsyl

Stacking robots and RB placers are what they are. But IMO what people do in Auto will be what wins this years game. From what I am reading most teams do not understand the math of the game. The difference in qualifying or eliminations style robots will be auto and that will have to be built into the design. Qualifying will focus on yellow bins and elimination will not.

I understand what you are saying, and I agree, very much so. I don't think some other folks get it yet. Hm.

[ttedrow]

Originally Posted by nuggetsyl

Stacking robots and RB placers are what they are. But IMO what people do in Auto will be what wins this years game. From what I am reading most teams do not understand the math of the game. The difference in qualifying or eliminations style robots will be auto and that will have to be built into the design. Qualifying will focus on yellow bins and elimination will not.

I have to disagree. A stacked tote set with three robots in auto zone in only worth 24 points and will be very difficult to do. Especially without knocking over the RCs.
Control and stacking the RCs will make the difference for the consistently high scoring teams.

[mrnoble]

Originally Posted by ttedrow

I have to disagree. A stacked tote set with three robots in auto zone in only worth 24 points and will be very difficult to do. Especially without knocking over the RCs.
Control and stacking the RCs will make the difference for the consistently high scoring teams.

That's not what was meant regarding autonomous.

[Dunngeon]

Originally Posted by mrnoble

That's not what was meant regarding autonomous.

Which unfortunately emphasizes NuggetSyl's point perfectly.

[Rangel]

It's a tough decision either way. Focusing on doing well in quals can put you into a picking position but you risk not being able to get a middle recycling container bot unless you are the number 1 robot. On the other hand, even if you are the best middle recycling container bot, there is no guarantee that the best alliances will even pick you. You might be picked by a lower weaker alliance that can't use you as effectively. It's a tradeoff I really like in the game and few teams that do it will probably end up on Einstein.