How many points will you score?

[MrJohnston]

Now that the robots are bagged, we've seen some "week zero" competitions, etc, we should have a much better idea how well we're going to perform. As a follow-up to the previous polls, how many points will your robot be able to score individually in your first competition? Assume ideal conditions. If you need help making sets/stacks, divide the total by two... Do not include pool noodles unless you are sticking them in recycling containers...

[Bryce2471]

My apologies. When I tried to submit my vote, my phone freaked out, leading me to accidentally selected 150 pts. I meant to select just about 100 including coopertition.

Sorry for skewing the results.

[Joseph1825]

For anyone who want to reference them, here are the links to the first two of these polls.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=133917
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=133187

[magnets]

I'm still surprised by how high some of these numbers are (I'm looking at those who said they'd score over 150...)

Either these teams are amazingly fantastic, are being unrealistic, or are lying (or I'm overly pessimistic).

I think we'll realistically be scoring in the 40 to 50 point range at our first event, but I'm optimistic that we can pull off another mechanism that should give us the opportunity to score a little more.

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by magnets

I'm still surprised by how high some of these numbers are (I'm looking at those who said they'd score over 150...)

Either these teams are amazingly fantastic, are being unrealistic, or are lying (or I'm overly pessimistic).

I think we'll realistically be scoring in the 40 to 50 point range at our first event, but I'm optimistic that we can pull off another mechanism that should give us the opportunity to score a little more.

20 point auto, 40 point co-op, 3 6 can stacks w/ container and noodle at 42 points each.

Not a stretch by any means.

[Bryce2471]

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

20 point auto, 40 point co-op, 3 6 can stacks w/ container and noodle at 42 points each.

Not a stretch by any means.

I agree. Although, something makes me doubt that 7 people are actually this optimistic so early in the season. The 150+ button happens to be right next to the submit button, so I wouldn't be surprised if several of those did the same thing that I did.

[Nathan Streeter]

40 point co-op can't be completed (legally) by one robot... but if an opponent robot to assist with the co-op's included, then I think there will be at least one team at most districts/regionals that averages around 80-100pts per match. The elite teams will probably average 100-150pts per match.

[Jared]

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

20 point auto, 40 point co-op, 3 6 can stacks w/ container and noodle at 42 points each.

Not a stretch by any means.

Perhaps it's not a stretch for some teams, but I would be very surprised if 10 percent of teams were able to have a 20 point autonomous, the ability to make 3 perfect stacks, AND co-op stacks in just 2:15?

To do that, a team must intake 20 totes, 3 containers, insert 3 noodles, and deposit 4 stacks.

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by Jared

Perhaps it's not a stretch for some teams, but I would be very surprised if 10 percent of teams were able to have a 20 point autonomous, the ability to make 3 perfect stacks, AND co-op stacks in just 2:15?

To do that, a team must intake 20 totes, 3 containers, insert 3 noodles, and deposit 4 stacks.

I didn't say that 10% would be able to do it, just that it was doable.

[Jared]

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

I didn't say that 10% would be able to do it, just that it was doable.

I agree- we'll see an enormous gap between the "elite" teams and other teams this year. Some crazy teams may be able to do it, but it won't be very common.

Raw number of points scored isn't the best metric to determine the contribution to an alliance. A super accurate, fast, and repeatable capping robot or a robot which grabs containers from the step in autonomous might be critical to enable scoring (or prevent the opposing team from scoring).

[Nathan Streeter]

Originally Posted by Jared

I agree- we'll see an enormous gap between the "elite" teams and other teams this year. Some crazy teams may be able to do it, but it won't be very common.

Raw number of points scored isn't the best metric to determine the contribution to an alliance. A super accurate, fast, and repeatable capping robot or a robot which grabs containers from the step in autonomous might be critical to enable scoring (or prevent the opposing team from scoring).

Agreed on both.

Which is why I think OPR and QA may actually be incredibly informative this year. At events with 12+ matches per team and for teams that have gotten their wrinkles largely smoothed out, they may be more informative than averaging the number of points the team scored directly.

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter

Agreed on both.

Which is why I think OPR and QA may actually be incredibly informative this year. At events with 12+ matches per team and for teams that have gotten their wrinkles largely smoothed out, they may be more informative than averaging the number of points the team scored directly.

Glad you are both valuing for fast cappers (with noodle)..one of the things we can do if needed very effectively with precision with human player aid. I was thinking that may be our best play along with Gold Totes. We can stack those too. So much to do so little time. 2:15 goes FAST.

[MrJohnston]

We set the goal of being able to stack all three yellow totes on the day of kick-off and have kept that as a #1 priority ever since. We added being able to stack recycling containers... Being able to do these two things means:
* We have a very fast lifter.
* We have a very fast acquirer
In fact, if lined up perfectly, we can internally stack six totes in about five seconds... Recycling containers take about three seconds...

So, we should be able to get our 20 pt. autonomous in our first competition just about every match... It's easy enough, then, to pick up our three yellow totes and deposit them on the step right away. If there is one there already from the other alliance, it's easy enough to stack them. We can then be back in the staging area to acquire an RC 15 seconds into tele-op. Six or seven seconds later, we can be loading at the feeder station.... That leaves us more than 1:45 to stack... We can easily stack six totes and an RC in under 30 seconds, so 3 tall stacks shouldn't be hard... Of course, this was all under "ideal" circumstances.

Of course, all this is under ideal situations assuming a few things go well:
* Our autonomous code is about 80% debugged... Saturday our programmers are scheduled to have the practice robot most of the day and should be able clean it up.
* WE are having some struggles with how robust the clips on our lifter is- we've broken several and are trying to strengthen them without losing the necessary flexibility. Our last trial last night securely held four totes and an RC, was a bit too tipsy with a fifth tote and failed with tote number six... We did not have time to test our latest fix last night - but it's part of our 30lbs - so we'll be working on it the next two days as needed.
* Transporting a stack (six+RC) from the loading zone to the scoring platform is easy as is setting the stack on the platform.... Loading is easy as our robot guides totes out of the chute into the stack easily.

Why the narrative? Because we designed to grab and lift quickly from the beginning, scoring over 150 seems plausible. We are not an "elite" team by any means and we have some kinks to work out still, but I think we will be close. So, I can very well see how quite a few teams could be capable of putting up big numbers.... We can be foiled by a few things... We are still working on solutions to deal with sideways totes and currently knock about 30% of them over in autonomous... We can take RC's from the step, but not during autonomous - at this point...

By our week five competition, we hope to have a few "additional" capabilities: We think we can add a device that will let us convert our 20 pt. autonomous to a 28 pointer... It will be easy so long as we use less than 2lbs of material... We'd like to add something that can upright totes - or let us slide the sideways RC's into our lifter... Again, in needs to be light. WE trimmed about five lbs. out of our robot last night to get us down to 117....

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

20 point auto, 40 point co-op, 3 6 can stacks w/ container and noodle at 42 points each.

Not a stretch by any means.

Because it said individually, I didnt factor in the 40 point co-op when selecting our choice.
With that being said, I was surprised to see several teams choose 150+.

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by waialua359

Because it said individually, I didnt factor in the 40 point co-op when selecting our choice.
With that being said, I was surprised to see several teams choose 150+.

Yes... 150+ is ridiculously hard solo in 2:15. I don't buy 10 worldwide can do it doubt even ONE can do it.
I don't care if you have a conveyor and three tethered together robots it still takes time...135 seconds with maybe a bit of room from the 32 max in auto. But I assume a solo 150+ point bot would need to be "in optimum stacking place" at end of auto for tele-op.

Best case max point stack at 42 points max stack .... is 3.67 completed solo stacks (a bit less adding in auto) for an average of completed max stack every 36 seconds with RC and noodle placed...does not leave time to get co-op solo 40 pts at all. Pretty sure an efficient stacker does not have a great mobility attribute. Before you say Batman..did you see it stack and how long those stacks took I saw a lot of driving around with 6 stacks.

I would have to see 150 points solo to believe it... Stacking takes time regardless of how you slice it other variables at play field conditions can change and robots can knock down stacks negating good intentions.

Maybe with noodle throwing but that shouldn't count....as solo.

Over 100 solo sure is possible with top bots...150 consistently not so much...guess we'll find out soon