2015 CMP Representation by District/Region

[Navid Shafa]

I did this last year, thought it would be fun to do again:

Spreadsheet Link

• Green denotes an existing district
• Yellow are states/regions where size could potentially allow a district/mini-district
• Red are smaller regions

Also keep in mind that this is currently under-inflated as it does not include wild-card or waitlist teams, just the allotment established at the beginning of the season. I will update to include this after championship registration has closed.


*Big thanks to Andrew Schreiber for helping me clean up the process this time around.

[smistthegreat]

Most under-represented regions:
- Minnesota, -16
- California, -7
- New York, -6
- Israel, -5
- China, -5
- Kansas, -5

Some random thoughts I had after seeing this:
- Is there a reason Minnesota hasn't gone districts yet?
- Am I the only one who didn't realize China has 23 teams!?
- I'd love to see Israel go to districts on an Indiana scale.
- New York districts ASAP, please.

[Hgree56]

I would love to see Israel go to a District model too. They seem ready for it; just like those of us in Indiana were ready for it. Districts work amazingly too! I think any State/Country that can go District should.

[notmattlythgoe]

I'm curious, what is the reason the rest of the PA teams haven't been pulled into MAR?

Also, can I assume that DC was included in Virginia's count?

[mklinker]

I think Indiana has proven that a "mini" district model can work very well. I am curious why you listed Indiana as the smallest possible district? I think that the model could be used in even smaller settings.

[notmattlythgoe]

Originally Posted by mklinker

I think Indiana has proven that a "mini" district model can work very well. I am curious why you listed Indiana as the smallest possible district? I think that the model could be used in even smaller settings.

My guess is because it has been proven to work at that size, so anything smaller is theoretical.

[Navid Shafa]

Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe

My guess is because it has been proven to work at that size, so anything smaller is theoretical.

Bingo, the colors are fairly arbitrary...

Originally Posted by mwmac

Not so quick Sparky... as a proud member of the Otherians, I state emphatically that we are the most underrepresented region at the Championship and call on First to implement a plan for the conversion of the Otherian region to the District model forthwith...

(Couldn't resist...humor, its good for what ails you.)

Just for you, Idaho now has it's own category on the spreadsheet.

[tindleroot]

Navid, last I checked Indiana is sending 14 teams, not 10. (3 are from wildcards, though). Also, 11 was theoretical, not 10, since we were given 10 spots from FIRST plus our legacy team (45) goes every year.

[Navid Shafa]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

Navid, last I checked Indiana is sending 14 teams, not 10. (3 are from wildcards, though). Also, 11 was theoretical, not 10, since we were given 10 spots from FIRST plus our legacy team (45) goes every year.

Yes, that is correct (waitlist):

Originally Posted by Navid Shafa

Also keep in mind that this is currently under-inflated as it does not include wild-card or waitlist teams, just the allotment established at the beginning of the season. I will update to include this after championship registration has closed.

[nikeairmancurry]

Michigan is sending 90 teams.

A fair amount of teams got through on the wait-list.

Two world champs from last year and 3 Legacy teams.

[MikeE]

Thanks Navid - it's really interesting to see the differences in Regional and team distribution.

Originally Posted by mklinker

I think Indiana has proven that a "mini" district model can work very well. I am curious why you listed Indiana as the smallest possible district? I think that the model could be used in even smaller settings.

Districts don't make as much sense if the team population is lower than ~150% of a event size, allowing 3 district events + district championship. Typically District events are 40 teams although PNW has smaller events.

A district of only 30-40 teams would mean both events + district "championship" had every team competing, so it's not really a championship in any traditional sense*

This puts a practical lower limit of around 50 teams for a District.

* too soon?

[Alex2614]

Originally Posted by MikeE

Thanks Navid - it's really interesting to see the differences in Regional and team distribution.



Districts don't make as much sense if the team population is lower than ~150% of a event size, allowing 3 district events + district championship. Typically District events are 40 teams although PNW has smaller events.

A district of only 30-40 teams would mean both events + district "championship" had every team competing, so it's not really a championship in any traditional sense*

This puts a practical lower limit of around 50 teams for a District.

* too soon?

True, however, these areas can be lumped in with nearby districts. For example, here in West Virginia, we only have 4 teams. We hosted the state's first ever FRC event last summer in the off-season. But as stated above, we will likely be going into districts with Ohio and Western PA in 2017.

Districts will eventually happen everywhere. Because it's a hard sell to rural teams (who are already disadvantaged in that aspect) to pay 5,000 to go to an event and an additional several thousand if you want to go to another event that is really far away (think the next closest area with a regional), when more "urban" teams (or teams in districts) get a cost break, and more matches for less money. Districts will happen everywhere, even if that means that the "remaining" teams will lump into a nearby district. It is not really sustainable otherwise.

[Alex2614]

Navid, speaking of West Virginia, why are we not represented in the spreadsheet? Is it because there is no event in WV? There are four teams here, and three of them are registered for the championship.

[Navid Shafa]

Originally Posted by Alex2614

Navid, speaking of West Virginia, why are we not represented in the spreadsheet? Is it because there is no event in WV? There are four teams here, and three of them are registered for the championship.

Because West Virginia is small and doesn't have an event. I added it to the spreadsheet now for you though

[Alex2614]

Originally Posted by Navid Shafa

Because West Virginia is small and doesn't have an event. I added it to the spreadsheet now for you though

Haha, I was just curious, I figured that was the reason; no biggie. Thanks though

Usually, it's because people don't know that WV is a state (you'd be surprised) or they lump us in with VA by mistake.

It's small now, but just wait