Petition for Better Championship Video

[Joey1939]

Stream Quality - Comcast
Problem:
This year started off good with the kickoff hosted by Comcast; This raised my hopes that Comcast would continue to host streams, but this didn't hold true. I noticed that at Championship FLL and FTC streams were hosted on Livestream, which is the right way to do it. All FRC streams were on a NASA page that had terrible quality and some streaming issues. When services like Livestream allow for easy high quality video sharing, I see no reason for videos to be streaming any other way.
Secondly, some of the camera work was not ideal. Certain fields used a three camera layout that when viewed at low quality, it was impossible to see anything.
Stream quality also varies greatly from Regional to Regional. Some have excellent streams, whereas other don't have one.

Solution:
With the help of Comcast, FIRST should create guidelines and utilities for regionals and the championship on how to stream video and how to properly film a match. Such resources would let every regional have a good quality stream with good camera work.

Content Availability - Google/YouTube
Problem:
Most regionals and the championship don't provide a recorded copy of each match. Events that do have video are usually from teams with a camcorder sitting in the stands. These videos then don't always make their way onto TBA to be found easily. No one has the time to watch every event live or to dig through the internet to find the video of a match.
Secondly, not just matches should be recorded. Teams that can't go to Championship should be able to experience as much of the event as possible.

Story:
Last year my team got the Chairman's award at the Arkansas Regional and the MC read an awesome speech about our team. It made us all really happy and justified all the work we had put in. Something like this shouldn't just disappear. A video of this moment should still be available.

Solution:
FIRST should work with their sponsors like YouTube to provide utilities for splitting and uploading match videos. TBA provides a good way to see match videos, but it would be better if FIRST could host all of the videos on their channel to make videos easier to find.

More Content - Community
Problem:
The championship isn't just about the robotics matches. There is multiple other events that also happen: Dean's list presentation, Invention Faire, and pits. It would be awesome if video tours were provided for things like the Fair and pits to bring even more the experience to everyone.

Solution:
We can't expect FIRST to do everything, but there is thousands of students walking around that know how to use a camera. FIRST should provide a place for the community to share such videos in a unified place.

Reasoning
I know that these ideas may seem like a lot of work for FIRST, but it would serve the very important purpose of helping spread FIRST. Only a small percentage of teams go to Champs, but every team should be able to experience what it is like.

Final thoughts
My thoughts do not the represent the opinion of my team. I hope that this thread will bring FIRST's attention to problems with current video quality and content, and that it will provide a platform for people to share their ideas on how to make it better.

[dodar]

Twitch > Youtube >>> Livestream

[dcarr]

Originally Posted by dodar

Twitch > Youtube >>> Livestream

I'm working for Twitch starting in May and it's my goal to at least get a conversation going about a potential partnership for the future. No promises but we'll see what happens.

The livestream has been incredibly disappointing this year. Incredibly low resolution, poor bitrate, can't sustain a stream for more than a few minutes.

The on-field production is also severely lacking. Over-field views poorly thought out. Camera switching not useful to at-home viewers.

I could go on, but this needs to change.

[Ozuru]

Originally Posted by dodar

Twitch > Youtube >>> Livestream

Everything > Twitch at peak hours

[Skyehawk]

I recorded a wack ton of the livestream, I have to edit, render and upload a fair bit still, but I have ALL Einstein a fair number of quals and playoffs on Galileo, finals on Hopper and a few others.

Shameless self promotion: Videos will be uploaded soon on the channel: Skyehawk
(Videos will of course NOT be monetized by me)
(I've had relatively good luck with my uploads not getting flagged, hopefully that holds for the 50ish matches I have)

Link to channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKq...uW0-xP5BgAraYw

[protoserge]

FIRST started using Livestream this year in a beta program. There is work being done behind the scenes to improve webcasts.

These are good points you brought up. I'm not entirely pleased with the low audio level of the CMP webcast either, but it is progressing in a good direction.

[dcarr]

Originally Posted by stinglikeabee

FIRST started using Livestream this year in a beta program. There is work being done behind the scenes to improve webcasts.

These are good points you brought up. I'm not entirely pleased with the low audio level of the CMP webcast either, but it is progressing in a good direction.

The only Livestream feeds I saw this year were run unofficially by various teams at different events, and the Championship feeds were certainly not Livestream.

Do you have a source for this "behind the scenes" work?

[protoserge]

It was brought up at the FTA training in January. I'll see if I can dig anything up since details were mainly (don't take this verbatim) "we're doing this to try it out with hopes that we can standardize webcasting".

[dcarr]

Originally Posted by stinglikeabee

It was brought up at the FTA training in January. I'll see if I can dig anything up since details were mainly (don't take this verbatim) "we're doing this to try it out with hopes that we can standardize webcasting".

Thanks, would be good to know more about this and learn how some of us in the community might be able to leverage our connections and be a part of the solution.

This year, I did not personally see anything that led me to believe that any standardization of webcasts was occurring.

[protoserge]

Originally Posted by dcarr

Thanks, would be good to know more about this and learn how some of us in the community might be able to leverage our connections and be a part of the solution.

This year, I did not personally see anything that led me to believe that any standardization of webcasts was occurring.

It was only a few events to see how well it worked, not a roll-out beta for all events to try out.

[Louis_]

Twitch can be terrible sometimes too, but they're much more likely to provide something better than what we have currently.

[Alex Webber]

Originally Posted by Skyehawk

Shameless self promotion: Videos will be uploaded soon on the channel: Skyehawk

I cant seem to find your channel. Could you give me a link? Thanks!

[Skyehawk]

Originally Posted by Alex Webber

I cant seem to find your channel. Could you give me a link? Thanks!

Here is a link, I am working on getting videos up ASAP.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKq...uW0-xP5BgAraYw

[ThePancakeMan]

Originally Posted by Skyehawk

I recorded a wack ton of the livestream, I have to edit, render and upload a fair bit still, but I have ALL Einstein a fair number of quals and playoffs on Galileo, finals on Hopper and a few others.

Shameless self promotion: Videos will be uploaded soon on the channel: Skyehawk
(Videos will of course NOT be monetized by me)
(I've had relatively good luck with my uploads not getting flagged, hopefully that holds for the 50ish matches I have)

Link to channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKq...uW0-xP5BgAraYw

Thank you so much for this!

[cbale2000]

Originally Posted by dodar

Twitch > Youtube >>> Livestream

As someone experienced with streaming FRC events with YouTube and Twitch, there are a few important problems with both services...

YouTube - Audio Copyright Flagging. Basically any FRC event streamed to YouTube has to have the audio completely muted. We attempted using it to stream a District last year and had our videos flagged every few minutes even though the feed only picked up audio from the announcers mic (it picked up the music from ambient sound and even though you could barely hear it, YouTube picked it up).

Twitch - Non-Gaming Content Flagging. On twitch, viewers can flag a stream as "non-gaming content", after enough flags, the account is banned for 24 hours automatically with no recourse for the streamer (at least not in a timely enough manner to be useful).

This season we ended up using www.hitbox.tv to stream the last part of our district, it's basically a twitch clone with fewer restrictions, the only downside being the stream has to be refreshed every 4 hours or so (length limits).