[FTC]: Drive Platform- Design Exercise

[DavisDad]

In this thread, my son and I will document our process of designing and building a drive platform. We hope to finish the build and programming this summer.

The process will consist of the following steps:

1. Establish design environment: CAD software, new Android programming tools, etc...
2. Establish an engineering design process to follow.
3. Design
4. Build
5. Test
6. Repeat steps 3 through 5 until finished

Anyone interested is welcomed to join in the exercise. All comments, critiques and suggestions welcomed.

[DavisDad]

CAD Software:

We've found 3D solid modelling software indispensable for designing our mechanical systems. We've used SolidWorks for the past several years, and SW has served us very well.

This year, I'll be exploring converting to a new software: "Onshape". This is a new CAD modeling software where all the computing is done “in the cloud”; computing is done by servers through the internet and does not require special computers or licensing on the computer = no IT overhead. Onshape also has new collaboration tools/capability similar to Google Drive and Google Docs. Onshape is FREE and easy to gain access. See here: Onshape- The Future of CAD


We'll be converting to Onshape and using it for this project. My son has worked with Onshape more than me, and thinks we'll still need SW for some of the functionality not yet available in the current beta version. We'll see...

[DavisDad]

Engineering Design Process

Here's a typical approach from Wikipedia (link):

1. Research
2. Feasibility
3. Conceptualization
4. Design requirements
5. Preliminary design
6. Detailed design
7. Production planning and tool design
8. Production

For this drive platform project, we'll use an abbreviated version. We've already decided the platform will be a Mecanum system. The project is based on previous years' platforms. We'll skip to the "Design Requirements" step and capture previous design work in a document called "User Requirements Specification".

Here's a video of our previous version on the modular Mecanum drive platform:

[DavisDad]

Here is the URS for the platform design:

User Requirements Specification
FTC 2015/2016 Modular Drive Platform

[DavisDad]

I've purchased the Modern Robotics Inc (RBI) new modules from their website as well as 4 of the new Matrix 12V gear-motors. We used the 9V motors for our previous mecanum platform with good success and want to test these. Matrix has yet to publish specs for their 12V motors. There's a lot of information on the AndyMark and Tetrix motors and I want to evaluate and compare the Matrix option.

I've modeled the motor with OnShape (my first use of this CAD software). The model is "public" and may be viewed and copied by anyone with an OnShape account : LINK



I'm setting up a test rig and will publish torque/RPM/power data next week. From what I've tested so far, the motor has the following:

• 52:1 planetary gear set
• Approximately 200 rpm no load speed

The shaft end dimensions are identical to last years 9V motor. Specs here: LINK. I'd anticipate a stall torque above 500 in-ounces (36 Kg-cm).

[DavisDad]

OnShape (OS) hasn't yet released the drawing function: "Coming soon for all users". The OS model exported easily to SolidWorks where I made this dim drawing of the Matrix motor:


http://simhardware.org/img/Matrix 12...or-50-0014.PDF

[DavisDad]

Tests for Matrix 12V motor below:

[wgardner]

Thanks for the nice data!

Did you test the motor at only the 4 points shown in the plot, or at other points? If only the 4 points, then they would suggest that the stall torque is 516 oz-in or below. Linear extrapolation of the first 3 points would put the stall torque around 467 oz-in. Would you agree? I think if the stall torque were around 467 oz-in, it would also make the power curve end up being closer to the more traditional inverted parabola.

How did you like your DIY experimental setup? How hot did the wood pieces get? How long did you run the Matrix motor stalled, and did it show any signs of failure (e.g., smoking, or reduced performance afterwards)?

Did you measure the voltage of the battery (i.e., was it truly around 12 v or was it higher as they often are when they are fully charged)? Do you have any comments on the usage and performance of the tachometer (i.e., did it work as expected, would you buy it again, and were there any unexpected issues you ran into when using it)?

Given that you went to the trouble of creating such a nice DIY setup, I'd love to see you run the same tests with a Tetrix and Neverest motor to see how they compare on the identical setup, if you'd be willing.

Thanks again!

[DavisDad]

Originally Posted by wgardner

Did you test the motor at only the 4 points shown in the plot, or at other points? If only the 4 points, then they would suggest that the stall torque is 516 oz-in or below.

At the 4 points; the graph is a connect-the dots type. I’m ordering an in-line Watts/Volts power analyzer and will repeat again with more points.

Linear extrapolation of the first 3 points would put the stall torque around 450 oz-in. Would you agree?

Yes, my data aren’t linear.

How did you like your DIY experimental setup?

Was easy to use. With power analyzer and scale hooked to PC (USB), I’d like to be able to log force, Watts, Volts and Amps data to a file for plotting.

How hot did the wood pieces get?

Didn’t feel with touch any heat generated.

How long did you run the Matrix motor stalled, and did it show any signs of failure (e.g., smoking, or reduced performance afterwards)?

3-4 seconds; long enough to get scale reading. No noticeable effect on motor.

Did you measure the voltage of the battery

No, can’t find my volt meter.

Do you have any comments on the usage and performance of the tachometer

No problems. I also used it to measure the motor speed of about 11,000 rpm.

I'd love to see you run the same tests with a Tetrix and Neverest motor to see how they compare on the identical setup, if you'd be willing.

Will do… other motors are at school and won’t be able to test them until September. We also want to test the secondary gearbox performance we’re adding as part of this project.

[DavisDad]

I've been spending some time working with OnShape. I'm having good success doing the typical cadding we done in the past for First. Below is the MRI Power Module. OnShape has the following advantages over other CAD packages:

• FREE
• Cloud Based- works like Google Docs
• Works on any platform- PC, MAC, Tablet, even smartphones. The computing is done "in the cloud", so device is only a browser interface.
• No IT required
• Revision control is very advanced- similar to GitHub
• Collaboration capabilities are terrific- multiple users can work on the same project in real time.
• No files to maintain

[mozrila]

Can you invite a user to use this software? I think it would be interesting to play with and I need an invite to access it. Thanks!

[wgardner]

Originally Posted by DavisDad

I've been spending some time working with OnShape.

I'm looking for CAD models of the Modern Robotics components and your nice picture is all that I can find so far.

Did you make that model yourself or get it from somewhere? Are there models for the other components? If you made them yourself, would you be willing to export them and share them?

Thanks!

[wgardner]

Originally Posted by DavisDad

Will do… other motors are at school and won’t be able to test them until September. We also want to test the secondary gearbox performance we’re adding as part of this project.

Hi,

Any chance for these tests to be rerun with the Tetrix and Neverest motors now that school is open and the motors are presumably available? Thanks so much!

[DavisDad]

Originally Posted by wgardner

Hi,

Any chance for these tests to be rerun with the Tetrix and Neverest motors now that school is open and the motors are presumably available? Thanks so much!

I've been preoccupied with the new controls and changes in drive platform requirements. Hopefully I'll get to it this weekend.

[manojkr]

Thanks for all the information on this thread. We are a rookie team of 6 with mostly 7th graders this year. While the team is starting to use PTC, I came across this thread and got quite interested in onshape. We are using tetrix kit. Are there tetrix models available on onshape? How does that work? Thanks in advance for the help.

-Manoj
FTC 10295 - Yellow Jackets