Lowest Finals Scores

[Kevin Leonard]

So some of my students on 20 and 5254 were discussing our slightly infamous match at the 2015 New York Tech Valley Regional where we scored only 18 points in our first finals match due to horrible luck and fouls.

Aside from matches with Red Cards, was this the lowest finals match score of 2015? Additionally, how does this compare to other years compared to their average scores?

[Ginger Bread]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

So some of my students on 20 and 5254 were discussing our slightly infamous match at the 2015 New York Tech Valley Regional where we scored only 18 points in our first finals match due to horrible luck and fouls.

Aside from matches with Red Cards, was this the lowest finals match score of 2015? Additionally, how does this compare to other years compared to their average scores?

How did your team get fouls in Recycle Rush?

[jijiglobe]

Originally Posted by Ginger Bread

How did your team get fouls in Recycle Rush?

They probably dropped a stack and some or all of it exited the field or crossed to the other side of the field. That or they got some sort of chute door foul that they may or may not have deserved.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Ginger Bread

How did your team get fouls in Recycle Rush?

It's not all THAT hard. Late noodles. Improper handling of the, yes, chute door. The odd departure of a tote/can (or 5) from your half of the playing field. Having the coach forget he isn't supposed to handle totes and litter. Hands in the field (you'd be surprised how many HPs stretch a little too far trying to load litter in the container).

I believe it's actually theoretically possible to get three fouls on ONE play, without involving the robot. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure that one out...

[Ginger Bread]

Originally Posted by EricH

It's not all THAT hard. Late noodles. Improper handling of the, yes, chute door. The odd departure of a tote/can (or 5) from your half of the playing field. Having the coach forget he isn't supposed to handle totes and litter. Hands in the field (you'd be surprised how many HPs stretch a little too far trying to load litter in the container).

I believe it's actually theoretically possible to get three fouls on ONE play, without involving the robot. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure that one out...

At my team's regional we never saw any fouls, and I never received a foul as an HP even though our main source of points was throwing noodles.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Ginger Bread

At my team's regional we never saw any fouls, and I never received a foul as an HP even though our main source of points was throwing noodles.

That is good.

Speaking out where I am, I reffed 2 events and watched another event's matches from the stands. Week 1, Week 3, Week 5.

1) Lots of "dumb" fouls by the humans. We got most of 'em in practice, but a number of other times someone just forgot what was going on. A couple of totes going over the step happened a time or two.

3) Not as many fouls, but still quite a few, as I recall. Again, mainly humans.

5) Long stretches without a foul... but we did issue a few in practice. Aside from a yellow card after the first match (team entered the field too early) and a rapid-fire sequence of fouls late in the first day, the refs mostly just stood there. I don't think we called a single robot foul, but several humans were over the wall or throwing late (the #1 most common foul, I think).

[TDav540]

Lowest at VA was 84 (Red Alliance, F1). Lowest winning score was 102 (Blue Alliance, F2).

[MisterJ]

Originally Posted by EricH

I believe it's actually theoretically possible to get three fouls on ONE play, without involving the robot. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure that one out...

Human player's hand crosses over the wall while throwing a noodle in the last 20 seconds that knocks over a cooperation stack onto the opponent's side? That would be 6 fouls if you count a foul for each tote? It could theoretically be 8 fouls if all 6 yellow totes were stacked.

[GKrotkov]

Originally Posted by MisterJ

Human player's hand crosses over the wall while throwing a noodle in the last 20 seconds that knocks over a cooperation stack onto the opponent's side? That would be 6 fouls if you count a foul for each tote? It could theoretically be 8 fouls if all 6 yellow totes were stacked.

Idea to add yet another foul:
Two human players are throwing the noodle cooperatively, and thus are in the same HP zone

[logank013]

Originally Posted by GKrotkov

Idea to add yet another foul:
Two human players are throwing the noodle cooperatively, and thus are in the same HP zone

You guys are nuts... Haha I will try to convince our human player (one of the best in the league this year when throwing noodles) to try to knock over 6 stacks. lol

[EricH]

Originally Posted by MisterJ

Human player's hand crosses over the wall while throwing a noodle in the last 20 seconds that knocks over a cooperation stack onto the opponent's side? That would be 6 fouls if you count a foul for each tote? It could theoretically be 8 fouls if all 6 yellow totes were stacked.

There is no foul for knocking over somebody's stack, IF the human does it via a flying noodle. I specifically left the robots out. (For a robot, the max is 7 "points" fouls in one move--tips a canned 6-stack out of bounds or over the step.)


But, you got 2/3.

Coach throws noodle in the last 20 seconds and puts hand over the wall while doing it. G31/G33/G4

2/3 of THAT one did happen at one event. I'm still not sure who threw the SECOND late noodle in that match...


Rachel, if the coach operates the chute door, it's a G6-2 red card, not a G6 penalty. G6 only kicks in if they're handling the totes at the same time. That being said, 30 penalties for the coach holding the chute door and throwing totes over the wall... At some point, the ref is just going to pull out the very last resort red card: Egregious Behavior. A red card so rarely (never?) used, it doesn't have it's own rule number (Section 5.5.4).

[Rachel Lim]

Originally Posted by MisterJ

Human player's hand crosses over the wall while throwing a noodle in the last 20 seconds that knocks over a cooperation stack onto the opponent's side? That would be 6 fouls if you count a foul for each tote? It could theoretically be 8 fouls if all 6 yellow totes were stacked.

If it's the human player knocking over the stack, is it still a foul?


What I'm getting:

Single action with the most fouls: 6 fouls

A drive coach (G31) goes into a HP station where a HP is already there (G31), and throws a tote over the HP station wall (G34, and G31 again) while holding onto the chute door (G6) intending to damage an opposing robot (G26).



Single match with the most fouls: 175 fouls, 1 yellow card

During auto, the drive teams wear devices connecting to the driver station (G20), cross the starting line (G19), and touch the driver station (G21).
= 3 fouls and 1 yellow card

Then two drive coaches (G31) go into the same HP station (G5) and hold onto the chute door (G6) while reaching over the HP station wall (G4), throwing all 30 totes and 10 noodles over the wall (in the last 20 seconds) (G33, G34) intending each tote to damage an opposing robot (G26), while the rest of the drive teams leave the alliance stations (G30).
= 172 fouls



Breakdown for teleop:
40 fouls for coach touching totes/litter
40 fouls for reaching into the field
31 (?) fouls for having two people in the HP station (initial foul, then one for each tote entered)
30 fouls for touching the chute door and totes
30 fouls for damage
1 foul for leaving alliance station

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Rachel Lim

If it's the human player knocking over the stack, is it still a foul?


What I'm getting:

Single action with the most fouls: 6 fouls

A drive coach (G31) goes into a HP station where a HP is already there (G31), and throws a tote over the HP station wall (G34, and G31 again) while holding onto the chute door (G6) intending to damage an opposing robot (G26).



Single match with the most fouls: 175 fouls, 1 yellow card

During auto, the drive teams wear devices connecting to the driver station (G20), cross the starting line (G19), and touch the driver station (G21).
= 3 fouls and 1 yellow card

Then two drive coaches (G31) go into the same HP station (G5) and hold onto the chute door (G6) while reaching over the HP station wall (G4), throwing all 30 totes and 10 noodles over the wall (in the last 20 seconds) (G33, G34) intending each tote to damage an opposing robot (G26), while the rest of the drive teams leave the alliance stations (G30).
= 172 fouls



Breakdown for teleop:
40 fouls for coach touching totes/litter
40 fouls for reaching into the field
31 (?) fouls for having two people in the HP station (initial foul, then one for each tote entered)
30 fouls for touching the chute door and totes
30 fouls for damage
1 foul for leaving alliance station

What if the coach threw a tote knocking over 6 co-op totes onto the other side of the field, also damaging the 6 co-op totes. 12 more fouls haha

[CalTran]

Most likely either inadvertently propping the chute door open or knocking over a stack and causing totes to break the plane of the opponent's field.

[logank013]

Now in Indiana, I don't think we ever had a match that one alliance got 0 points but I remember looking through blue alliance after week 1 and seeing many 0 scores at different regionals. I guess some teams couldn't move totes to the scoring platform or got a few totes on the platform but had fouls too.