Secret Passage

[FRC5442]

According to the game manual you can enter the secret passage and have no time limit in said zone, but my question is when the opposing team rolls a ball into the secret passage. Can you steal the ball and then re-enter the courtyard to score some points? Thanks for helping me in advance!
~5442

[Doug Frisk]

Originally Posted by FRC5442

According to the game manual you can enter the secret passage and have no time limit in said zone, but my question is when the opposing team rolls a ball into the secret passage. Can you steal the ball and then re-enter the courtyard to score some points? Thanks for helping me in advance!
~5442

I read that rule several times.

G20 ROBOTS may only enter or exit their opponent’s SECRET PASSAGE from/to the opponent’s COURTYARD. A ROBOT is considered to be within the SECRET PASSAGE once the only carpet the ROBOT is in contact with is the carpet inside the SECRET PASSAGE.

My reading of that is that if you've made it through the defenses and are in their courtyard you can occupy the space that is the secret passage.

You must exit the secret passage back into the opponent's courtyard as well.

So, once you are in the courtyard, you can enter the secret passage to snag balls as they are entering the field.

[bvisness]

Originally Posted by DareDad

My reading of that is that if you've made it through the defenses and are in their courtyard you can occupy the space that is the secret passage.

You must exit the secret passage back into the opponent's courtyard as well.

So, once you are in the courtyard, you can enter the secret passage to snag balls as they are entering the field.

Yes, my interpretation of that was basically that you CAN cross from the opponent's courtyard into their secret passage (and vice versa), but you CANNOT cross from the neutral zone into their secret passage (and vice versa). Ever.

[MikLast]

Originally Posted by bvisness

Yes, my interpretation of that was basically that you CAN cross from the opponent's courtyard into their secret passage (and vice versa), but you CANNOT cross from the neutral zone into their secret passage (and vice versa). Ever.

some people on the team seem to be confused on this explanation, but wont explain what they are confused on (thanks Jermery) can you explain this a little more in-depth for us? i'd love to tell you what they dont understand but they wont explain. (tensions are a little high here...)

[EricH]

Originally Posted by MikLast

some people on the team seem to be confused on this explanation, but wont explain what they are confused on (thanks Jermery) can you explain this a little more in-depth for us? i'd love to tell you what they dont understand but they wont explain. (tensions are a little high here...)

I'll put it this way: You cannot use the Secret Passage to bypass your opponents' Defenses. You can use it to get around your own, however.

Once you are inside the defenses, you can enter but not use the passage.

[MikLast]

Originally Posted by EricH

I'll put it this way: You cannot use the Secret Passage to bypass your opponents' Defenses. You can use it to get around your own, however.

Once you are inside the defenses, you can enter but not use the passage.

That explained it. Thanks a ton!

[bvisness]

Originally Posted by EricH

I'll put it this way: You cannot use the Secret Passage to bypass your opponents' Defenses. You can use it to get around your own, however.

Once you are inside the defenses, you can enter but not use the passage.

I like that explanation. Good intuitive sense of what the rule is saying.

Here's a picture (NOT from the manual):

[MikLast]

Originally Posted by bvisness

I like that explanation. Good intuitive sense of what the rule is saying.

Here's a picture:

one more question, does the yes on entering your side go with entering apply to the enemy secret passage?

[bvisness]

Originally Posted by MikLast

one more question, does the yes on entering your side go with entering apply to the enemy secret passage?

I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but you are always free to enter and exit YOUR secret passage from any direction.

This picture was made assuming you were on the blue alliance.

[MikLast]

Originally Posted by bvisness

I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but you are always free to enter and exit YOUR secret passage from any direction.

This picture was made assuming you were on the blue alliance.

you answered the question. thank you.

[asid61]

If it's ok to sit inside your opponent's secret passage, is it not possible to block [s]cannonballs[/s] boulders from entering the field indefinitely? I could not find mention of this in the manual, and it feels like I'm missing something.

EDIT: I can;t get strikethrough to work. Boulders, not canonballs. I'm too used to the pre-season speculation.

[rtfgnow]

Originally Posted by asid61

If it's ok to sit inside your opponent's secret passage, is it not possible to block cannonballs from entering the field indefinitely? I could not find mention of this in the manual, and it feels like I'm missing something.

Boulders (please use the official term, there are no such thing as cannonballs in FIRST Stronghold) need to be returned to the field if there are more than 6 in the castle. I see no rules about intercepting incoming boulders.

[cglrcng]

Originally Posted by MikLast

one more question, does the yes on entering your side go with entering apply to the enemy secret passage?

Your flags on the Towers are backwards on that drawing (unless those towers have been captured already). Check the videos (both the animation & the Field Videos and the Official Field Drawings Field Layout Plan first sheet. Blue Flag, Blue Standards, Blue Drivers Station/Castle Lights, Blue Secret Passage, Outer/Defense, etc. All on one end, and all red on the other.

The only thing that can/does change is a Captured Tower will flip flag color. But using that drawing is very confusing the issue further concerning G20 (among others).

There appears to be some errors in figures (drawings), in the GAME RULES not yet corrected, and you copied one of those drawings. I'm sure corrections will eventually be made.

Members of Citrus Circuits have good reason to be under stress concerning the confusion (ok, besides being a defending World Champ team attempting a repeat year).