Does this chassis look as if it would work?

[MSOSDev]

A few other posts within this forum go into how Mecanum wheels would not be a good drive system type for this year's game. While we are considering pneumatic tires which are very likely to work, we are reluctant to lose the ability to strafe and quickly navigate the field. This is our current plan for our chassis which utilizes Mecanum wheels, and can be switched with the pneumatic tires at any time. This allows us to go to the competition with both sets of wheels and interchange them. The chassis has 6 inches of ground clearance. What is your opinion on the effectiveness of this chassis and drive system?


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[Anthony Galea]

Originally Posted by MSOSDev

While we are considering pneumatic tires which are very likely to work, we are reluctant to lose the ability to strafe and quickly navigate the field.
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I just want to bring attention to this portion right here. How much time do you think you would be saving by strafing through the field rather than turning and driving straight? I'm pretty sure that I've seen calculations that show that turning and driving straight is actually more efficient in terms of time.

[FoolishBigJ]

I think it also depends on what type of game your playing. I find the mech wheels are good for helping to line up a shot. If your shooting it may help but otherwise I'm not so sure.

[mrnoble]

I'm amazed to find the number of teams currently posting that are seriously considering mecanum wheels for this year's game. As a potential competitor against your teams, I am delighted to know this. But as a teacher and coach, whose goal it is to inspire as many students as possible to succeed and enjoy competitions like FRC, I strongly advise you all to simply eliminate mecanum from your list of options, NOW. Please.

[MikLast]

Originally Posted by mrnoble

I strongly advise you all to simply eliminate mecanum from your list of options, NOW. Please.

Its always good to explain why, just so people dont have to ask "why would you say that?" and it takes more time to clarify.

[mrnoble]

Originally Posted by MikLast

Its always good to explain why, just so people dont have to ask "why would you say that?" and it takes more time to clarify.

Sigh. Okay. Because mecanum precludes you from crossing terrain, especially of the types which our robots must cross for this game. A mecanum drivebase will get stuck on the first obstacle.

[JesseK]

Originally Posted by mrnoble

Sigh. Okay. Because mecanum precludes you from crossing terrain, especially of the types which our robots must cross for this game. A mecanum drivebase will get stuck on the first obstacle.

There is a non-trivial value in having a spybot (re: [G7-E-ii]) which never crosses a defense barrier. If high goal accuracy of such a bot were high, I'd pick it as a first pick. But only if accuracy was high (and intake was 'touch it/own it' philosophy). I'd even go lower the drawbridge or open the door for such a bot if that was the predetermined match flow.

Mecanum - the biggest issue will be making sure the tabs don't get bent while crossing any of the platforms. It may be a good year to spend some weight on the Mecanum HD's from AM if you find the aluminum tabs bend or fatigue.

[Dan Petrovic]

Originally Posted by mrnoble

Sigh. Okay. Because mecanum precludes you from crossing terrain, especially of the types which our robots must cross for this game. A mecanum drivebase will get stuck on the first obstacle.

I'm picturing a lot of bent screws on mecanum rollers.

I wish anyone who will be using mecanum wheels luck. I don't think the added benefit of strafing is worth the disadvantages, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

[MARS_James]

Originally Posted by mrnoble

Sigh. Okay. Because mecanum precludes you from crossing terrain, especially of the types which our robots must cross for this game. A mecanum drivebase will get stuck on the first obstacle.

This is not true, it makes it challenging but doesn't preclude you. There were plenty of robots who crossed the barrier in 2012 with mecanums, and that barrier was 4 inches tall by 6 inches wide.

Here are 4 videos of proof

Some use other mechanisms to help but they are still mecanum drive trains, and if they can cross the 2012 barrier, they can clear the Rockwall, and Moat easily. and honestly the Drawbridge, Portcullis, Sally Port, Ramparts, Chevalle de Frise, and Low Bar, have more to do with other parts of the robot then the mecanums themselves. So of the 9 obstacles mecanums can handle 8 of them with proper engineering, that isn't to bad.

Now I don't think mecanums are a good idea for different reasons but crossing the defenses isn't one of them.

[MSOSDev]

We were looking to shoot from the corner of the opposing teams courtyard, that way you don't line up a shot every time. Just go to the corner, slide in sideways, put the shooter at a prefigured angle, fire, and get out. With normal wheels you'd have to back into the corner while turning. Even then you can't guarantee a snug fit every time.

[dmorewood]

Originally Posted by MSOSDev

We were looking to shoot from the corner of the opposing teams courtyard, that way you don't line up a shot every time. Just go to the corner, slide in sideways, put the shooter at a prefigured angle, fire, and get out. With normal wheels you'd have to back into the corner while turning. Even then you can't guarantee a snug fit every time.

This in theory is a good idea. But how are you planning on getting across the defenses to get to this spot with mecanum wheels. Also you need to be able to cross defenses reliably multiple time. I think this will cause more problems then its worth

[MSOSDev]

Our robot design can go underneath the low bar, open the vertical gate, and can right the Cheval de Frise for crossing. Traction-wise and terrain-wise we we're skeptical about the Mecanum wheels due to reasons similar to those explained in this thread. We have both sets of wheels, so we'll just experiment with both and we can always go with the pneumatic tires.

[MSOSDev]

The field wouldn't ever be non-square by more than 2 degrees though would it? Given the size of the field wouldn't that be noticeable?

[Doug Frisk]

Originally Posted by MSOSDev

We were looking to shoot from the corner of the opposing teams courtyard, that way you don't line up a shot every time. Just go to the corner, slide in sideways, put the shooter at a prefigured angle, fire, and get out. With normal wheels you'd have to back into the corner while turning. Even then you can't guarantee a snug fit every time.

You are shooting a 10 inch diameter projectile toward a 16 inch opening that is at a 30 degree angle making the effective width of that opening about 13.5 inches from about 10 feet away.

I'm sure it can be done, but that looks to be about a 2 degree arc you need to be in and having been involved in building about 20 fields I can tell you that you cannot depend on that corner to be exactly square.

[Captain_Kirch]

Originally Posted by MSOSDev

We were looking to shoot from the corner of the opposing teams courtyard, that way you don't line up a shot every time. Just go to the corner, slide in sideways, put the shooter at a prefigured angle, fire, and get out. With normal wheels you'd have to back into the corner while turning. Even then you can't guarantee a snug fit every time.

It seems to me like you're accepting defeat too early there. Why cant you change the orientation of your shooter so it fires off the side. Or drive along one wall until you meet the corner?

Mechanum wheels are bad for pushing, add weight for your climb, and are simply inappropriate for many of the obstacles. Worse yet they aren't even necessary for the action you illustrated.