G11 and G28 Technicalities

[The Ginger]

My team is woundering if camping a secret passage whlie your alliance scores 6+ goals would be legal. on one hand the opposing alliance doesnt HAVE to release the boulders ,but on the other hand you are kind of making them give you a boulder or risk getting a foul.

[bduddy]

You have to enter and exit from their courtyard, and you have to be extremely careful to not contact an opposing robot and draw a G21 penalty. Beyond that, there's no reason it wouldn't be legal.

[ASD20]

I believe that is absolutely legal. Just make sure you don't touch their robots or else you will get a tech foul.

[FRANKlybored]

Originally Posted by The Ginger

My team is woundering

There seem to be so many woundering people on this forum. PLEASE, I repeat, PLEASE seek medical attention if you or anyone on your team is woundering.

[DredPiratRobrts]

Originally Posted by FRANKlybored

There seem to be so many woundering people on this forum. PLEASE, I repeat, PLEASE seek medical attention if you or anyone on your team is woundering.

The Ginger needs to work on his typing and vocabulary.

[Fields]

Anyway here on G11.

Camping in the SP and using G11 to prevent others from contacting you is in fact G11 itself.

Secondly as a defender I can contact you without drawing a G11 on myself easily. "I'm trying to retrieve a boulder from the HP and needed to push them out of my way" or "I'm just trying to pin them for the allotted time" or "I just happen to be driving that way and they were in my path"

One change I do hope for is that they change G21 from being on the SP carpet to any part of the frame above the SP.
It is easy to cantilever out a frame plus your 15" allowance to block the HP. I say just the frame so that if a HP is careless in their throw and it gets to close to the edge. The other team can make them pay by snatching it up.
Personal preference on that one, may not be a big deal though unless you have good control over a good number of boulders.

[The Ginger]

thank you all for the help but could i please redirect you to the question, can you roll a boulder from the opposing teams SP into their courtyard to one of your team mates? I am not trying to be rude but i need an answer.

[T3_1565]

Originally Posted by The Ginger

thank you all for the help but could i please redirect you to the question, can you roll a boulder from the opposing teams SP into their courtyard to one of your team mates? I am not trying to be rude but i need an answer.

No you cannot. If a robot is transferring a boulder from neutral zone to courtyard it must go through (and completely CROSS) a defense. Secret passage is not a defense.

Even bumping it through intentionally would be against the rules. Accidentally it may happen of course

[The Ginger]

not from the neutral zone, from the secret passage (SP)

[alopex_rex]

Originally Posted by The Ginger

not from the neutral zone, from the secret passage (SP)

Transferring boulders from the opponent's SP to the opponent's courtyard is fine.

[T3_1565]

Originally Posted by The Ginger

not from the neutral zone, from the secret passage (SP)

Ok. Yes as long as you remember that you had to get into their secret passage from their courtyard. and you cannot get in contact with their robots while in there.

[The Ginger]

Alright, Thank you guys for the help!

[rich2202]

Originally Posted by T3_1565

No you cannot. If a robot is transferring a boulder from neutral zone to courtyard it must go through (and completely CROSS) a defense. Secret passage is not a defense.

Nor is the SP the Neutral Zone.

Scenario:
Robot is in the SP (or partially in the courtyard and partially in the SP).
Opposing alliance inbounds a boulder into the SP.
Robot intercepts the boulder.

At that point, the Robot can move the boulder into the courtyard because it is not a violation of G40 (G40 requires the boulder to be coming from the Neutral Zone). If the Robot is also simultaneously in contact with the SP and Courtyard, G39 would permit the Robot to Launch the boulder (take a shot at the goal).

[alopex_rex]

Originally Posted by Fields

Camping in the SP and using G11 to prevent others from contacting you is in fact G11 itself.

(Sigh) No.
Meta-violations of G11 will never be a thing. Unless your robot has mind control capabilities, it is impossible to adopt a strategy of forcing other teams to adopt a strategy of forcing you to commit fouls.

[SenorZ]

An alliance has right-of-way in their own secret passage.
If you are blocking it and they want through, you need to get out of the way or take a tech-foul (G21)

G28 refers to the courtyard, not the passage. If you're in their passage during the final 20, they can hit you. And you'd get a foul.