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Incorporating Alumni within FRC Teams
I know there are a lot of threads regarding alumni mentoring/not mentoring, but I am wondering how your team incorporates their alumni into the team.
One of the focuses lately has been reaching out to alumni, specifically college alumni, to get involved again. While volunteering is fun, I am curious of ways to incorporate alumni into their team specifically. In my experience, I've learned a lot about trying to be a mentor while just being out of a team myself. But with college classes, work, and less industry experience, I couldn't dedicate enough time or experience to be a full adult mentor. From conversations with other alumni, I know my team isn't the only one struggling to figure out what to do with their alumni. So, what does your team do to keep alumni involved? |
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Re: Incorporating Alumni within FRC Teams
On my team I help mentor Wiring & Pneumatics. This gives me a chance to learn a lot from the main mentor about leadership, while allowing me to help wherever I can, and still stay involved in FIRST. I do understand what you are saying though. I don't really have enough experience to be a "real" mentor, nor am I old enough, but I still feel like I can contribute to the team.
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Re: Incorporating Alumni within FRC Teams
I think the key to any part-time help/mentors is to focus on smaller scale projects that can be accomplished in their available time. Having someone who can't be there all the time means they should not be responsible for any critical parts of the robot, or any bigger, long term parts - things tend to grind to a halt when the mentor involved with a mechanism isn't there to advise.
Instead, focus on smaller, contained things part time alumni can help with. We usually get a few during the first week or so of build, as they're on winter break. During that time, they can help with prototyping (which is relatively short term), build field elements, or serve as a reviewer on chairman's submission materials. Above all, remember that being a mentor is completely different from being a student, and you'll probably need mentoring in how to be an effective mentor! |
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Re: Incorporating Alumni within FRC Teams
Some teams have "Junior Mentors", for recent alumni that are under 21. Its good practice to separate recent alums from high school students for a variety of reasons.
Holy Cows do this and describe it pretty well in their team handbook. |
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I have more often than not seen this done extremely poorly, where it causes more problems than good. College age mentors are eager to show their worth in their new role, and providing very little scope as to the position but calling them "junior" or "training" builds great animosity between the post-HS members of the team. |
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Re: Incorporating Alumni within FRC Teams
One of our alumni who graduated in 2006 is now a Warren City Schools teacher, a Warren City Councilman, and is poised to take over the Team 48 lead teacher role at Harding High School. It's fun when your team (and you) get ancient enough to see this happen.
We also have a number of other alumni from that era mentoring the team. A 2012 alumnus has applied to come back home from Kettering and get a mechanical engineering job at Delphi (who wants to bring in more FIRST alumni as interns and employees - yins all come work at the Champion Technical Center in Warren - 48 and some other local teams could use the help!). Many of our most recent college-age alumni still attend kickoff, go to our competitions over their breaks, and assist with scouting and pit crew support. I'm all for the youth mentor movement on the team. It encourages a team to re-evaluate old (like reallllllly old) practices and consider fresh new ideas. I also think having more younger mentors on the team can be good for student recruiting. Last edited by Travis Hoffman : 19-04-2016 at 17:48. |
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Re: Incorporating Alumni within FRC Teams
Our team mostly has our alumni interaction during ~first 2 weeks of season, which is when we're all back home during Winter break. After that, the mentoring largely dissipates.
During that 2 weeks, the Alumni kinda just spread throughout the groups and offer input here and there based on previous experience (Or, in my case, what I happen to read on here.) |
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I actually help throughout the season even though I'm out of town because my mom is also a mentor for the team so she'll call me with technical/troubleshooting questions and keep me updated on how the season is going. |
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On a slightly related topic, I've had numerous instances with a rookie teams where a younger high school student is put into a leadership role and they really flourish with it. Long story short, age is a bad metric for measuring anything. |
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In my case, I decided to help my team my freshman year by being one of our two required volunteers at our district events. On a whim I signed up to referee, and was surprised to actually be assigned as one. 6 years and over 50 events later, I'm so glad that I wasn't able to mentor and decided to volunteer instead. Refereeing has become one of the most fulfilling things I've ever done, and even after I became a mentor I've kept doing it. |
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Re: Incorporating Alumni within FRC Teams
I was a college mentor on a 100% college student run FRC team (FRC1817 www.team1817.org). All of our mentors are college students, and some alumnus. We've been around for 11 years now. Here are a few recommendations I have for college/alumni mentors.
1. Keep the college freshman away from the team. They need to discover themselves before mentoring a team. Also, mentoring requires a tons of time and dedication. It's best for the freshman to get 4.0 their first year in college. 2. Alumni should be invited to team events to be part include them as part of the team, but not necessarily a mentor. 3. Alumni mentors MUST be properly trained and reintroduced to the team as a mentor, or else their mentor creditability and authority can easily be ignored by students (ie college freshman/sophomore is only 1-2 years older than a HS senior). 4. School should ALWAYS comes first for college mentors, therefore if a college mentor is suffering academically, then they shouldn't be mentoring a team. 5. FIRST is much more than just building a robot. Mentoring is much more than just the technical skills. College mentors can also share their experience on how to prepare for college or what to expect as a young adult moving away from your family. The near-peer experience is often overlooked by FIRST teams. 6. College mentors should be treated as a mentor-in-training. Give them actual responsibilities and see what they're able to do. The best way to put this would be a Padawan in Star Wars (if you get the reference). College mentors require mentorship too! These are just my 2cents |
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I think the key advice here is to urge freshmen to seriously consider whether or not they have the time management skills to balance the work. Rising college students, I urge you to seriously consider your decision. I happen to have a lot of maturity when it comes to time management. It can be hard to pull back from FRC when you need to, but if you have any doubt in your ability to do so, do not mentor your freshman year. A much more manageable, lower-commitment way to stay involved in FIRST is to volunteer at your local competition(s). College students make some of the most passionate volunteers; it's a great way to stay involved and still make a major impact for FIRST participants. |
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I agree with the fundamental idea of taking time off from FIRST; there are a lot of things out there that are awesome and new. Every student should explore things outside of FIRST before coming back to the program. FRC (and other robotics programs) aren't going anywhere, they'll still be here in four, five, six plus years. But I think the most important thing is learning how much you can do in college and still do everything well/at a high level. If FRC is part of figuring that out, then by all means, allow it to be so. FRC can be a passion These fundamentals are always true: 1. School comes first, in every situation 2. Explore things other than FRC before deciding to mentor 3. Understand what you can and cannot do with your time |
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Re: Incorporating Alumni within FRC Teams
I've participated and been involved with teams that span the spectrum on this issue, from almost no young mentor involvement, to a middle ground, to entirely run by college students.
Currently, we employ a "Mentor Lite" system for young alumni that would like to return and mentor because they are attending college locally. If you are Mentor Lite, you may not drive or solely chaperone students, or act as a lead mentor for a sub-group. They work under the lead mentors for any given sub-group and act in a supporting role while they learn how to bridge the gap between student and mentor, which is hard to do. We generally discourage alumni from coming back their freshman year as FRC mentors, but utilize them heavily in the FLL and FTC programs that we run. We also encourage them to explore other teams and volunteer roles within FIRST. Mentor Lite is promoted to regular mentor status when they've graduated from their program of choice (not necessarily a 4-year degree), have transitioned to adult life, and all the the students that they went to school with have graduated. |
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