300 Point Match

[414cnewq]

Considering that we were unable to witness a 300 point Match at Chezy Champs or IRI, what do you think it would take to attain 300 points in 1 match from one alliance?

[Brian Maher]

Let's do some math. The following adds to 300 points:

Auto:
3 crossings (30 points)
4 high goals (40 points)

Teleop:
7 crossings (35 points)
3 scales (45 points)
breach (20 points)
capture (25 points)
21* high goals (105 points)
*Everything else adds to 195, so (300-195)/5 = 21

To break 300, you need an absurd (albeit possible) number of teleop high goals, an average of one every six seconds of teleop. In addition, auto/endgame/C crossings have to go perfectly. Put it all together, and while 300 points is possible, it is incredibly unlikely to nail everything in one match.

[mastachyra]

Using IRI rules,

Auto could have three two ball autos on an alliance, so:

Auto:
3 crossings - 30 pts
6 high scores - 60 pts

End game:
3 hangs - 45 pts

Tele-op:
7 crossings - 35 pts
Breach - 20 pts
17 high scores - 85 pts
Capture - 25 pts

A possible dream alliance that I think could pull it off:

179 - Children of the Swamp
1678 - Citrus Circuits
254 - Cheesy Poofs

[BrendanB]

Given the proper third partner, 195 and 971 could have had a chance at pulling this off. 195 makes quick cycles through the low bar. 971 has showed they are incredibly strong cycling over the defenses but their strength compared to most teams is their ability to chase down balls in their opponents secret passage before they roll into the neutral zone. They both have the ability to run a consistent two ball auto under the low bar plus a scale at the end.

195, 1114, & 225 came close at IRI with a total of four missed shots in teleop. With 971 instead of 1114 its possible they could have pulled it off.

[Caleb Sykes]

Originally Posted by Brian Maher

Teleop:
7 crossings (35 points)
3 scales (30 points)
breach (25 points)
capture (25 points)
23* high goals (115 points)
*Everything else adds to 185, so (300-185)/5 = 23

3 scales is 45 points and a breach is 20 points.

[Brian Maher]

Originally Posted by Caleb Sykes

3 scales is 45 points and a breach is 20 points.

Good catch, fixed my post. I'm used to thinking of scales in terms of their marginal points compared to a challenge, though not sure why I mixed up 20/25, those numbers are engraved in my mind.

[mastachyra]

Going against an opponent who continually drives through the wrong secret passage would help alot too.

Anyone want to watch tons of matches from last year and figure out a "dream" alliance to compete against?

[Edxu]

Originally Posted by Brian Maher

Let's do some math. The following adds to 300 points:

Auto:
3 crossings (30 points)
4 high goals (40 points)

Teleop:
7 crossings (35 points)
3 scales (45 points)
breach (20 points)
capture (25 points)
21* high goals (105 points)
*Everything else adds to 195, so (300-195)/5 = 21

To break 300, you need an absurd (albeit possible) number of teleop high goals, an average of one every six seconds of teleop. In addition, auto/endgame/C crossings have to go perfectly. Put it all together, and while 300 points is possible, it is incredibly unlikely to nail everything in one match.

I don't think that 21 teleop is actually that far out of the question, assuming the pseudo-chokehold scenario with a 3-offense lineup running third bot in and around the secret passage exit, blocking balls from exiting the courtyard, having the best shooter cycle those balls and having the second robot breach the rest of the defenses.

However, this runs the significant risk of being penalized for being touched in the opponent's secret passage, as well as a possibility of being yellow-carded for G25b or G25e. That being said, I think that it's definitely attainable with a good drive team and a drive coach that calls out incoming robots ahead of time, giving the drivers a chance to react.

[RoboChair]

Originally Posted by Edxu

I don't think that 21 teleop is actually that far out of the question, assuming the pseudo-chokehold scenario with a 3-offense lineup running third bot in and around the secret passage exit, blocking balls from exiting the courtyard, having the best shooter cycle those balls and having the second robot breach the rest of the defenses.

However, this runs the significant risk of being penalized for being touched in the opponent's secret passage, as well as a possibility of being yellow-carded for G25b or G25e. That being said, I think that it's definitely attainable with a good drive team and a drive coach that calls out incoming robots ahead of time, giving the drivers a chance to react.

1678 scored 24(21 Tele, 3 Auto) boulders with 148 and 364 during Quarter finals at Champs. 1678 scored 23(19 Tele high, 1 Tele low, 3 Auto) boulders with 971 and 604 during Semi-finals at Chezy.

More than 20 boulders is certainly possible.

[Electronica1]

Originally Posted by RoboChair

1678 scored 24(21 Tele, 3 Auto) boulders with 148 and 364 during Quarter finals at Champs. 1678 scored 23(19 Tele high, 1 Tele low, 3 Auto) boulders with 971 and 604 during Semi-finals at Chezy.

More than 20 boulders is certainly possible.

Match 88 at IRI had 25 high goals, 26 boulders (24 tele high, 1 tele low, 1 auto). You really just need to have the right alliance that doesn't get in each others way. Plus not being defended helps.

[bobbysq]

Could a 300 point match happen in a 6v0 situation? Obviously, the courtyard would get a little crowded and it would do nothing in terms of ranking for the other team, but I could see it happening at a small off season for no reason other than to try to break the record.

[roboruler]

Originally Posted by bobbysq

Could a 300 point match happen in a 6v0 situation? Obviously, the courtyard would get a little crowded and it would do nothing in terms of ranking for the other team, but I could see it happening at a small off season for no reason other than to try to break the record.

But here's the thing, in that case the record could be broken easily but doesn't mean nothing. Perhaps not having defence one match and just letting the alliances do there own thing would be better.

[414cnewq]

Originally Posted by Brian Maher

Let's do some math. The following adds to 300 points:

Auto:
3 crossings (30 points)
4 high goals (40 points)

Teleop:
7 crossings (35 points)
3 scales (45 points)
breach (20 points)
capture (25 points)
21* high goals (105 points)
*Everything else adds to 195, so (300-195)/5 = 21

With this scoring scenario, I feel it is completely possible to get above 300 points. However, I would make one modification:
5 auto High goals.
That way, either one robot doesn't have to scale or class C can be left alone.

That way, this alliance could attain 300 points:
254: 8+ teleop high goals per match, a scale, and the only demonstrated 2 ball not low bar in a (semi) official match (CC Quals 41)

195: 9+ teleop High goals per match, a scale, and a consistent 2 ball.

4678: 4+ boulders per match, plus ability to do class C.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by 414cnewq

With this scoring scenario, I feel it is completely possible to get above 300 points. However, I would make one modification:
5 auto High goals.
That way, either one robot doesn't have to scale or class C can be left alone.

There are a lot more robots that can shoot high + hang, or shoot high + do class C, than can consistently get both balls of a two ball auto over multiple defenses. I think a triple scale, or assuming Class C crossing (which isn't that hard, even the drawbridge can be done cooperatively) is probably the more apt assumption.

If anyone was going to do it, 195 would be involved, I guarantee it.

[vann2648]

This thread causes me to wonder the highest scoring alliance possible in FRC right now. My pick would probably be 254 - 195 - 148. This combination allows for 80 point auto, an insane boulder teleop score, and a consistent triple hang. (Alternatively, replace 195 with 971 or 1678)