Decommissioning of USFIRST.org archived site

[mwmac]

More disappointing news for those who find using the archived site more effective for monitoring events and registered teams.

http://archive.usfirst.org/

"This is the archived site and will be decommissioned January 2017."

[GeeTwo]

[Michael Hill]

Now how will I find anything?

[Chris is me]

Does FIRST have any idea how much teams still rely on the old site to find anything? Sometimes I really think they make almost all of their decisions in a vacuum from the actual experience of teams.

[Foster]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Does FIRST have any idea how much teams still rely on the old site to find anything? Sometimes I really think they make almost all of their decisions in a vacuum from the actual experience of teams.

It's like any big business. They spent thousands on what they were sold as much better website. They don't want to spend maintenance on the old site, or spend money to operate it since the new site is much better. So they turn it off. There are only a few vocal end users in the base of established teams (aka current customer) that care. They are creating new teams (aka new customers) at a decent rate, so disenfranchising a few old customers isn't a big deal. Especially since the friction to transfer to a new vendor (FIRST -> VEX) is so high, the current customers won't move. Keeping the old website is a sign that maybe the new site isn't great, so the old has to go.

tl;dr: It's a business 101 thing and FIRST is a business.

[EmileH]

Remember, frclinks.com still exists for those who don't like the new website UI.

[Rangel(kf7fdb)]

This is pretty disappointing. I use the archived site fairly exclusively.

[tjf]

The most worrying part about this whole decommissioning is that they don't seem to know what parts people actually use...

Do they even have a better, more easily accessible equivalent on the new site yet? Even simple items are buried deep withing the site. I wouldn't even consider moving until you know your target platform is ready. It's like trying to move from one apartment to another but not even knowing if the new apartment is done, or even if it's had it's electrical and plumbing all done.

Either way... Good luck to them, and please don't break everything. It's one thing for a team to make a mistake and them be out of luck, but FIRST making a tragic error puts everyone at a disadvantage. There simply is no alternative to the old system for being straight to the point and clean.

[bdaroz]

My initial reaction (and reply to their tweet about it):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl0jg8rFFlw

Second, a number of times I've searched on Google for FRC-related stuff, it's sent me to the usfirst site, not firstinspires. This tells me a few things - either the content is not on firstinspires, is not indexed well, or that so many other sites are still linking to the old site that Google thinks it's more authoritative. (Page Rank)

Third, right in the middle of build season?!? I'd get it if it got decommissioned after Champs in the off season or something, but seriously. Don't they have better things to do?

[Lireal]

Originally Posted by bdaroz

Third, right in the middle of build season?!? I'd get it if it got decommissioned after Champs in the off season or something, but seriously. Don't they have better things to do?

It will hopefully help them fix those issues actually, because they do not have to spend anymore effort maintaining the old site.

[bdaroz]

Originally Posted by Lireal

It will hopefully help them fix those issues actually, because they do not have to spend anymore effort maintaining the old site.

I'm sorry... but the amount of effort "maintaining" an older site, i.e. just keeping it running, is utterly dwarfed by the amount of work they need to put into their current problems on the "new" site. It's not like the archive site is getting new content.

Besides, last I checked all the old blogs on the new site that were migrated over still have broken links. The amount of time it would take to fix that alone is larger than the time required to maintain the old site.

[Deetman]

I feel like this page isn't well known but is a quick way to get to the official event team lists and results. http://frc-events.firstinspires.org

[Michael Hill]

Originally Posted by bdaroz

My initial reaction (and reply to their tweet about it):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl0jg8rFFlw

https://youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ

[cbf]

This is bad.

FIRST seems to not understand that some of us use the old stuff. For example, this Fall we built a demo bot out of some old FTC parts we had lying around. But I had a terrible time trying to find documentation about setting up the software. There were plenty of non-FIRST sites that had overviews about this, but for the real details they all linked to documentation on the FIRST web site -- that appears to have been completely removed from the World Wide Web. A mere broken link we could have dealt with -- but this stuff was completely gone.

It cost nearly nothing to keep a site of static content on the web nowadays.

You really need to think about creating stable URLs to old content -- especially documentation. Yes, FTC may not use NXT bricks anymore, but some of us still have them around.

At least stuff like cRIOs and Jaguars are in better shape -- mostly because the real documentation was at the vendor sites, not FIRST's.

[DonRotolo]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Does FIRST have any idea how much teams still rely on the old site to find anything? Sometimes I really think they make almost all of their decisions in a vacuum from the actual experience of teams.

They should. The site should still have active analytics to count the number of visitors. If not, maybe they should do that to just see how popular the archive site really is. Perhaps a comparison would show that the old site is used more , But my guess is that the new site sees a lot more traffic simply because more people know it.