Scoring of rotors

[Bo8_87]

If a team gets a rotor in autonomous, they will get 60 points. However, at the end of teleop, will the rotor get scored again for 40 points, for a total of 100? Or does the rotor only get the 60 points from auto?

[remymathenia]

The rules say that it is 60 points "for each rotor turning by period's T=0" in auto, and 40 points "for each rotor turning by period's T=0 in teleop. Does this mean that a rotor can/would count for 100 points as it would be rotating at the end of auto, and the end of teleop?

Example:
One rotor is turning by the end of auto = 60 points
Four rotors are turning by the end of teleop = 40 points/rotor = 160 points
60 points + 160 points = 220 rotor points

Maybe we're just missing something in the rules . . . Thanks FRC community!!

[Mr.Twister]

What I got out of the video and of the rules is that you only get the points when the rotor was started initially (after 3 full rotations in the airship.)

Example:
You get one rotor activated in Autonomous= 60pts
-then there are only 3 rotors left x 40pts = 120pts (that's if you activate the rest during teleop.)

So in this case, the maximum points due to the rotors is 180pts (60 during autonomous, and 120 during Teleop.)

This is what I got out of it, please let me know if I am wrong
Thanks,
Dillon

[markmcgary]

Originally Posted by Mr.Twister

So in this case, the maximum points due to the rotors is 180pts (60 during autonomous, and 120 during Teleop.)

Why not 200, 120 during auto and 80 during teleop?

[bbensel]

Originally Posted by markmcgary

Why not 200, 120 during auto and 80 during teleop?

This is entirely possible, it just seems that people haven't considered it yet. Quite a big point bonus though, just needs every robot to do a gear.

[mrnoble]

3.2.1, page 23, is pertinent.

[Cothron Theiss]

Originally Posted by markmcgary

Why not 200, 120 during auto and 80 during teleop?

It's definitely possible, but it requires all three robots to place a gear. I imagine that situation will be about as common as 70 point autos were for Stronghold.

[Peyton Yeung]

Originally Posted by Cothron Theiss

It's definitely possible, but it requires all three robots to place a gear. I imagine that situation will be about as common as 70 point autos were for Stronghold.

I'm waiting for the multi gear auto modes from the elite teams a la 2011. Little more complicated since gears must be fully supported by the original robot.

[Cothron Theiss]

Originally Posted by Peyton Yeung

I'm waiting for the multi gear auto modes from the elite teams a la 2011. Little more complicated since gears must be fully supported by the original robot.

Hm. I hadn't really thought about that. I feel like having an auto that places a gear and scores the 10 pre-loaded fuel would be a more repeatable goal for the elite teams, but I guess we'll see.

[Thayer McCollum]

Originally Posted by Cothron Theiss

It's definitely possible, but it requires all three robots to place a gear. I imagine that situation will be about as common as 70 point autos were for Stronghold.

I expect three gear/two rotor autos will be even less common because not only do all three robots have to deliver a gear but two humans have to retrieve three gears, then place one of them on the center spot, fit the other two into their spots and spin the crank three times. I just don't think that the pilots will be able to move fast enough for that to happen. I expect we'll see it once or twice but no more than that.

[botster]

Originally Posted by Thayer McCollum

I expect three gear/two rotor autos will be even less common because not only do all three robots have to deliver a gear but two humans have to retrieve three gears, then place one of them on the center spot, fit the other two into their spots and spin the crank three times. I just don't think that the pilots will be able to move fast enough for that to happen. I expect we'll see it once or twice but no more than that.

I would just like to point out that there has been no rule against all three robots placing their gear on the close spring. That would make scoring three gears considerably easier and faster than having robots drive to the far side of the airship, turn, and then place their gear.

[Bo8_87]

https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.n...amUpdate01.pdf

The team update states that rotors are scored only if they are not previously scored, so I interpret this as a rotor scored in autonomous won't be recounted for teleop.

Quote:
For each ROTOR turning by period’s T=0,
that’s not previously been scored

[Mr.Twister]

Originally Posted by markmcgary

Why not 200, 120 during auto and 80 during teleop?

Yes, this is very well possible. In the case that I said, the maximum point value is 180.

The only problem is how likely are there going to be three robots able to go to three serperate lifts and have enough time to get rotor 1 to turn? It would probably end up counting as a teleop rotor turn if it takes more than 15 seconds and only give you 40 points like I said in the first example. So it would equal out to the same amount of points either way.

[team-4480]

So are teams legally able to grab another gear during autonomous? We would love to put the first gear and then go backward to the loading station and grab another.

[engunneer]

Originally Posted by team-4480

So are teams legally able to grab another gear during autonomous? We would love to put the first gear and then go backward to the loading station and grab another.

the only legal source of another gear in auto is your alliance partners. if your partner can't score a gear, but can somehow transfer it to you, then you can potentially score it.

This will be tricky and unlikely, but not impossible.