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Can the Pilot do anything during autonomous?
I'm actually curious, since the following pieces of information are contradictory...
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This shows that the pilot IS indeed, technically a member of the drive team. Quote:
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This, combined with the other presented information, shows that, in order to get the additional 20 points for a rotor to spin, the pilot must place a gear, therefore, a member of the drive team is technically interacting with field elements during autonomous. |
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What about the grey area with the rule about when the pilot can interact with a received cog (I believe it is G23, I am in class right now and can't make a rule snippet) EDIT: Rule G26 Last edited by Robojacks4674 : 09-01-2017 at 10:59. |
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Re: Can the Pilot do anything during autonomous?
The drivers would be interacting with robots by controlling it during auto, which is prohibited, while a pilot would be interacting with game pieces. Also, since placing the gears is necessary for auto gameplay, that means the pilot is in the right. Using that, I guess that also means human players can interact with the feeder stations and game pieces during auto.
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Even then, the other posts. there is still some grey area. |
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Re: Can the Pilot do anything during autonomous?
G26 states simply "Any GEAR transferred to a PILOT during the MATCH must be done so via a LIFT." Again, the PILOT is not controlling a robot, and it does not say that a PILOT cannot use a LIFT during autonomous (and in fact they have to in order to score the autonomous rotor points), so I don't see any gray area for confusion.
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Re: Can the Pilot do anything during autonomous?
The maximum of the grey area would be if the PILOT pulls the GEAR from the ROBOT using the LIFT during AUTO. Surely, if the ROBOT places the GEAR, and removes all contact between the ROBOT and the GEAR so the GEAR is only contacted by the LIFT and then the LIFT is manipulated by a PILOT then there is no DRIVE TEAM to ROBOT interaction.
At most the manual may prohibit the PILOT from operating the LIFT to remove a GEAR from a ROBOT. But, if the ROBOT is not in contact with a GEAR on the LIFT then the PILOT is free to operate the LIFT. Caps for rule book emphasis/consistency. This is the strictest interpretation I could envision. The intent of the rule is to not allow human input to control the robot. So, practically speaking, GDC will probably allow the pilot to operate the lift to remove a gear from the robot so long as the pilot doesn't supply a control signal to the robot in the process. Last edited by jee7s : 09-01-2017 at 12:13. |
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That was the only other thing I was confused with, and perhaps in the weekly team updates, some of the language will be cleared up. |
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Re: Can the Pilot do anything during autonomous?
I honestly dont' get the ambiguity here. Of course they can. This is obvious because otherwise scoring gears in autonomous would be impossible, but the wording of the rules supports that too.
The DRIVE TEAM is not prohibited from "interacting" in a general, broad sense. The full rule text is "ROBOTS operate without any DRIVE TEAM control or input". The PILOT is not operating the ROBOT, obviously. They are neither controlling nor inputting commands to the robot. Control or input H08 doesn't come into play at all either, because the game pieces in question are in the field of play. They are not in the ALLIANCE STATION. I actually can't find the word "Interacting" in the rules anywhere in this context. That isn't the wording of the rule. The rule is "ROBOT operates ... control or input". This isn't ambiguous. There's nothing to see here. The PILOT is not prohibited from doing anything in autonomous excluding what they are prohibited from doing the entire match and using the reserve gear. |
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Re: Can the Pilot do anything during autonomous?
There is an ambiguity, though not related to the OP.
Picture a robot that preloads a gear and 10 fuel, delivers the gear to the boiler facing side of the airship, then backs up to deliver fuel to the boiler. Suppose the reversing to the boiler is initiated by a state change on a contact switch indicating the gear is present. When the gear is removed, the robot backs up. In that scenario, is the removal of the gear providing a control signal to the robot? Q&A shall decide, I suppose. |
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Re: Can the Pilot do anything during autonomous?
4.1 states "... and PILOTS race to install delivered GEARS" during auto.
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I would also argue that the program could be such that the state change of the gear being removed from the sensor is not necessarily a control input, but still may be an indirect input. The argument would go as such.
it's not a good argument, but it is an argument. I think it could still be ruled as indirect control which is still not allowed. in that case, we'd just have to go off time and hope. |
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