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What autonomous modes will teams have?

What maximum autonomous capability do you think various levels of robots will have?
  1. Elite teams (Top 1%)
  2. Alliance captain teams
  3. Median teams
  4. Low-level teams

Do you think elite teams will be able to score multiple gears in autonomous? Will low-level teams be able to consistently score a single gear? I'd love to hear your thoughts.
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Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?

1. 50/60 balls in high goal
2. 8/10 balls in high goal, possibly plus gear and / or emptying a hopper
3. One gear 50% of the time
4. Drive forward

No one will score a second gear in autonomous in 2017.

Autonomous scoring involving moving the drivetrain will never be consistent for a low-level team, because consistent driving to a specific location is hard. But I'd say some will be able to.
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Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?

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1. 50/60 balls in high goal
2. 8/10 balls in high goal, possibly plus gear and / or emptying a hopper
3. One gear 50% of the time
4. Drive forward

No one will score a second gear in autonomous in 2017.

Autonomous scoring involving moving the drivetrain will never be consistent for a low-level team, because consistent driving to a specific location is hard. But I'd say some will be able to.
Although I think two-gear autos are a stretch, I do think we will see at least one team attempt it. Last year people thought two-boulder autos were impossible until a certain point.
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Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?

An auto that scores two gears would be worth 100 pts. (40 of those post-Auto when the second gear is placed) and no RP.

An auto that scores one gear plus 40+ fuel in the HE boiler is 100+ pts. plus 1 RP, all during auto. I think we'll see this one.
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Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?

I'm certain there will be teams capable of placing two gears on lifts before the end of autonomous. I am less certain they will do so with enough time for the second gear to be placed on a rotor and spun up for autonomous bonus points.
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Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?

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I'm certain there will be teams capable of placing two gears on lifts before the end of autonomous. I am less certain they will do so with enough time for the second gear to be placed on a rotor and spun up for autonomous bonus points.
Unless I'm missing something, you need 3 robot placed gears in auto to get auto points for 2 rotors. You can't remove the gimme gear (as I like to call it) in auto, and you need 3 gears to get the first 2 rotors.
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Unless I'm missing something, you need 3 robot placed gears in auto to get auto points for 2 rotors. You can't remove the gimme gear (as I like to call it) in auto, and you need 3 gears to get the first 2 rotors.
Also there is no way 1 robot can place 2 gears. To get a gear you need to go to the other side of the field, which is illegal in auto.
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Teams that are very good at autonomous have a completely different game piece that is dramatically more rewarding to score in autonomous mode than a gear, which is a modest bonus.
If a top tier team is gunning for a hopper autonomous, what are their partners doing?


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Unless I'm missing something, you need 3 robot placed gears in auto to get auto points for 2 rotors. You can't remove the gimme gear (as I like to call it) in auto, and you need 3 gears to get the first 2 rotors.
There's three teams on an alliance.

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Also there is no way 1 robot can place 2 gears. To get a gear you need to go to the other side of the field, which is illegal in auto.
Up to three gears start on your side of the field at the beginning of autonomous. They just have to be initially supported by a robot.
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If a top tier team is gunning for a hopper autonomous, what are their partners doing?
Placing the other 2 gears...
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Placing the other 2 gears...
And what's happening to the pre-loaded gear on the hopper auto bot?
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And what's happening to the pre-loaded gear on the hopper auto bot?
I think the smart move for that robot would be to place that gear on their robot so it'll fall off or to where it's in their gear mechanism. No point in having to do another cycle of you don't have to.
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I think the smart move for that robot would be to place that gear on their robot so it'll fall off or to where it's in their gear mechanism. No point in having to do another cycle of you don't have to.
Here is where I would assume most teams with a consistent hopper auto would be semi-powerhouses. Maybe not on par with 254 or 1114, but they would definitely know what they're doing. That being said, chances are a team with hopper auto capability will most likely also have gear capability, which would mean that at some point in the match, they would be placing that gear, at their convenience. No point in knocking it to the floor only for a floor gear intaker to pick up later, when the hopper bot will most likely be able to score it later anyway.
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And what's happening to the pre-loaded gear on the hopper auto bot?
Gear + 40kpa auto from the elite teams.
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Gear + 40kpa auto from the elite teams.
Precisely. It makes sense for a high level team to do both fuel and gears in auton rather than ignoring the 20 point bonus (and progress towards the 3rd and 4th rotors) that their alliance gets from doing a 3 gear auto (with the 2nd and 3rd picks getting a gear each) or hoping for an alliance partner capable of a 2 gear auton.
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Gear + 40kpa auto from the elite teams.
If there's a team that can place a gear on the lift with sufficient time to start a rotor, open a hopper, receive and index the hopper's balls, and shoot 40+ balls with enough time for them to be processed before the end of autonomous I'll be beyond impressed. The amount of teams capable of that will be something we can count on one hand.
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