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BUMPERS ARE INCLUDED IN ROBOT VOLUME THIS YEAR!

Does anyone know if the bumpers are included in the volume size, or if they can be excluded and the frame size of the robot is the considered volume?
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Re: FIRST STEAMWORKS Discussion & Quick Links

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Does anyone know if the bumpers are included in the volume size, or if they can be excluded and the frame size of the robot is the considered volume?
Read rule R03 VERY carefully:

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Maximum ROBOT size, including BUMPERS and all extensions, must be constrained to one of two volumes
Emphasis mine.

EDIT: Moved this to a separate thread and stickied to increase visibility.
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Read rule R03 VERY carefully:



Emphasis mine.
And please, we all (including the GDC in Update #6) implore you:

Use the search feature before asking questions.

On CD, it's in the orange bar near the top of the page. On Q&A, it's that fill-in box by the green button. In the Manual itself, CTRL-F will bring up a search function.
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Re: BUMPERS ARE INCLUDED IN ROBOT VOLUME THIS YEAR!

I am bummed about the number of robots that will come to competition this year unable to compete at all. Some years, overweight robots need to get Swiss cheesed, or lose a mechanism. Some years, bumpers need to be reconstructed. How does a team recover when they need to lose ~6" on both X and Y? And then rebuild the bumpers?
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Re: BUMPERS ARE INCLUDED IN ROBOT VOLUME THIS YEAR!

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I am bummed about the number of robots that will come to competition this year unable to compete at all. Some years, overweight robots need to get Swiss cheesed, or lose a mechanism. Some years, bumpers need to be reconstructed. How does a team recover when they need to lose ~6" on both X and Y? And then rebuild the bumpers?
I hadn't actually thought about this, but upon reflection this does seem very likely.
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I hadn't actually thought about this, but upon reflection this does seem very likely.
1678 is planning an emergency triage team to help teams that show up with such robots. I really do pray that they won't be needed.

Someone should bring kitbot frames if they have any laying around.
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Re: BUMPERS ARE INCLUDED IN ROBOT VOLUME THIS YEAR!

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OP is potentially trying to win that AndyMark prize in a creative way.
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Re: BUMPERS ARE INCLUDED IN ROBOT VOLUME THIS YEAR!

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Since it's assembled, it's gotta be bagged or withholding allowance. If unassembled (e.g. still in the box), then doesn't count for weight.
Bagged would work.

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If they're completely unmodified, they're cots and you can bring in as many as you can fit in your pit. Any parts that are assembled or cut are a fabricated assembly and would count against withholding allowance. If you disassemble the frame, then any unmodified parts are cots, modified parts are still withholding. We don't want you bringing in ready made bots for allies or anyone else, no matter how well intentioned.
I agree that a fully built robot should not be brought as spare, but a fully assembled kitbot frame minus electronics that you bag with your normal robot works within the rules. It saves any team in dire need of a frame several hours of assembly that can be used to transfer mechanisms from their robot and their whole electronics system.
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Bagged would work.



I agree that a fully built robot should not be brought as spare, but a fully assembled kitbot frame minus electronics that you bag with your normal robot works within the rules. It saves any team in dire need of a frame several hours of assembly that can be used to transfer mechanisms from their robot and their whole electronics system.
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There's nothing here about using fabricated items which were in another team's bag, only their withholding allowance. The bag rules don't explicitly say that parts of the robot have to be put in that team's bag, but the use of "their robot" and "your robot" throughout R15 to R20 sure makes it read like this is the case.

Edit: Q360 asked.
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There's nothing here about using fabricated items which were in another team's bag, only their withholding allowance. The bag rules don't explicitly say that parts of the robot have to be put in that team's bag, but the use of "their robot" and "your robot" throughout R15 to R20 sure makes it read like this is the case.
There's a good Q&A. I can see the ruling going against handing another team bagged parts because why not bag a practice robot and give your third pick a twin? This also has interesting implications for cheesecake climbers....

So who's asking this Q&A? I don't have a login to pester the GDC anymore, so I can't.
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There's nothing here about using fabricated items which were in another team's bag, only their withholding allowance.
You could loan COTS stuff to the Spare Parts table ...
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That is trolling, in the most classic sense. Well played OP.

Since we have almost ZERO entries on this contest, the OP has a good chance of winning.

This $250 AndyMark credit could be easy money!!!

C'mon, people, let's see entries to this G04 / R03 Robot Volume Contest!

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Since we have almost ZERO entries on this contest, the OP has a good chance of winning.

This $250 AndyMark credit could be easy money!!!

C'mon, people, let's see entries to this G04 / R03 Robot Volume Contest!

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My kids are editing their video right now. We hadn't met since Saturday so this is our first real chance to work on it. It looks like fun! Hopefully they make it in by the deadline.
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