Go to Post ahhhh, for the good old days, when our robots always seemed to come in well under weight instead of well over... :( . - dlavery [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Competition > Off-Season Events
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
View Poll Results: Which method do you think was better?
Best out of 3 (Used in 2003 IRI) 46 97.87%
Elimination Points (Used during the 2003 FIRST season) 1 2.13%
Voters: 47. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2003, 20:01
D.J. Fluck
 
Posts: n/a
IRI Elimination Round Method

Out of curiosity, for all who went to IRI or watched the webcast, do you think that our decision to make it best of 3 was better than the traditional FIRST rules from this year, using elimination points and why?
Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2003, 20:07
Jeff Waegelin's Avatar
Jeff Waegelin Jeff Waegelin is offline
El Jefe de 148
AKA: Midwest Refugee
FRC #0148 (Robowranglers)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Greenville, TX
Posts: 3,132
Jeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond repute
I thought the IRI way was great! It made it so much more exciting during the finals. The only proof you need is in the final round. During the FIRST season, a close match like Finals 1 would have meant certain victory for 494's alliance. With best of 3, 308's alliance was able to pull off two amazing performances, and take the win. That kind of excitement is how a FIRST competition should be... 3 great matches, not one match followed by de-scoring. Elimination Points inhale audibly. Best of 3 was the right way to go.
__________________
Jeff Waegelin
Mechanical Engineer, Innovation First Labs
Lead Engineer, Team 148 - The Robowranglers
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2003, 20:16
Paul H's Avatar
Paul H Paul H is offline
Renegade of Funk
AKA: Paul Huston
FRC #0033 (Killer Bees)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Royal Oak, MI
Posts: 364
Paul H has a brilliant futurePaul H has a brilliant futurePaul H has a brilliant futurePaul H has a brilliant futurePaul H has a brilliant futurePaul H has a brilliant futurePaul H has a brilliant futurePaul H has a brilliant futurePaul H has a brilliant futurePaul H has a brilliant futurePaul H has a brilliant future
Send a message via AIM to Paul H
I agree, best of 3 was far more exciting (even though we didn't come out on top).
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2003, 20:19
Rob27's Avatar
Rob27 Rob27 is offline
Registered User
FRC #0027 (Team RUSH)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Clarkston, MI
Posts: 26
Rob27 will become famous soon enough
Send a message via AIM to Rob27
Thumbs up

Well, as 308's partners we liked best two out of three!!!! If it had been by EPs like during the FIRST season, we would have beat in the quarterfinals by 47's alliance. The final matches were awesome!!!! You had to win two, not win one and lose one. It was great! Thanks again Andy Baker!!!
Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2003, 20:31
rlowerr_1's Avatar
rlowerr_1 rlowerr_1 is offline
Registered User
#0930 (M³)
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 61
rlowerr_1 is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via AIM to rlowerr_1
Am I the only one who liked EP points better?
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2003, 20:51
D.J. Fluck
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally posted by rlowerr_1
Am I the only one who liked EP points better?
I think so...
Reply With Quote
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2003, 20:55
Ryan Dognaux's Avatar
Ryan Dognaux Ryan Dognaux is offline
FRC Video Review - Change is Coming
FRC #4329 (Lutheran Roboteers)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: St. Charles, MO
Posts: 2,673
Ryan Dognaux has a reputation beyond reputeRyan Dognaux has a reputation beyond reputeRyan Dognaux has a reputation beyond reputeRyan Dognaux has a reputation beyond reputeRyan Dognaux has a reputation beyond reputeRyan Dognaux has a reputation beyond reputeRyan Dognaux has a reputation beyond reputeRyan Dognaux has a reputation beyond reputeRyan Dognaux has a reputation beyond reputeRyan Dognaux has a reputation beyond reputeRyan Dognaux has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Ryan Dognaux
Best out of 3 made it much more exciting. I mean, just think - w/ the point system it's usually obvious who's going to win, but with the 3 match system it's anyone's guess (usually).
__________________
Ryan Dognaux :: Last Name Pronounced 'Doane Yo'
Team 234 Alum: 2002 - 2005 :: Purdue FIRST Member: 2006 - 2009
Team 1646 Mentor: 2007 - 2009 :: Team 357 Mentor: 2009 - 2012
Team 4329 Mentor: Current
STL Off-Season Event: www.gatewayroboticschallenge.com
Reply With Quote
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2003, 21:11
WernerNYK WernerNYK is offline
Registered User
AKA: Chris Werner
FRC #0190 (Gompei & the HERD)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Worcester, MA
Posts: 274
WernerNYK is a jewel in the roughWernerNYK is a jewel in the roughWernerNYK is a jewel in the rough
Send a message via AIM to WernerNYK
We did the same thing at BattleCry@WPI 4, and everyone there also seemed to like the best 2 out of 3 method much better. I would be willing to bet that FIRST will revert back to this style next year.
__________________
-Chris Werner
"Production Manager"
BattleCry@WPI

Team 190 - WPI & Mass Academy
Est. 1992!

Team 871 - Former team leader
Reply With Quote
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-07-2003, 21:49
Jeff Waegelin's Avatar
Jeff Waegelin Jeff Waegelin is offline
El Jefe de 148
AKA: Midwest Refugee
FRC #0148 (Robowranglers)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Greenville, TX
Posts: 3,132
Jeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally posted by rlowerr_1
Am I the only one who liked EP points better?
Yes.
__________________
Jeff Waegelin
Mechanical Engineer, Innovation First Labs
Lead Engineer, Team 148 - The Robowranglers
Reply With Quote
  #10   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-07-2003, 03:02
Aignam's Avatar
Aignam Aignam is offline
This Space For Sale
AKA: Anthony Mangia
#1257 (Parallel Universe)
Team Role: Scout
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: North Brunswick, New Jersey
Posts: 877
Aignam has a brilliant futureAignam has a brilliant futureAignam has a brilliant futureAignam has a brilliant futureAignam has a brilliant futureAignam has a brilliant futureAignam has a brilliant futureAignam has a brilliant futureAignam has a brilliant futureAignam has a brilliant futureAignam has a brilliant future
Send a message via AIM to Aignam Send a message via Yahoo to Aignam
The best of 3 elimination round method not only made sure that you could redeem yourself after losing a match, but it made the competition all that much more exciting and unpredictable. The EP points kept the competition far too structured and predictable, in my opinion.
__________________
Some Thoughts to Ponder
How does a sign turn into a lady friend? Don't optional stop signs ruin the purpose? What are pneumatics? Am I really banned from 229 for life? Can walls get bigger?

Aignam. Pronounced A-Num. Mangia backwards.

NJFIRST.org | Best Thread. Ever.

AIM: Aignam | ICQ: 265237569 | E-mail: AnthonyMangia@aol.com | HTTP: www.aignam.com
Reply With Quote
  #11   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-07-2003, 08:31
Unsung FIRST Hero
Al Skierkiewicz Al Skierkiewicz is offline
Broadcast Eng/Chief Robot Inspector
AKA: Big Al WFFA 2005
FRC #0111 (WildStang)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Wheeling, IL
Posts: 10,766
Al Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond repute
There was so much discussion about this topic during the season, with everyone rendering an opinion. I think the proof is here now. The best two out of three was a crowd pleaser and the excitement level was extremely high. As I have said before, the way finals were handled before caused teams who had lost the first match by a huge amount, to come back out and play a match they could not win. I think it was obvious from this competition that all the alliance partners had a better chance of playing in finals as well.
__________________
Good Luck All. Learn something new, everyday!
Al
WB9UVJ
www.wildstang.org
________________________
Storming the Tower since 1996.
Reply With Quote
  #12   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-07-2003, 20:27
kevinw kevinw is offline
Registered User
#0065
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Farmington Hills
Posts: 132
kevinw is a name known to allkevinw is a name known to allkevinw is a name known to allkevinw is a name known to allkevinw is a name known to allkevinw is a name known to all
2 out of 3

Like so many other things, the eliminations at IRI proved to be handled better than the "regular season". Perhaps it was the foresight of the IRI crew that it would be more exciting. Perhaps it was the hindsight that the eliminations at Regionals and at Houston were not very exciting. One way or the other, it was much better. 2 out of 3, hands down.

If only all the competitions could be similar to the IRI. If FIRST was able to develop the game, and test it sufficiently (a tall order for sure - but effectively the entire season would be similar to the post season is now), then we'd have the same consistency in referees and the same excitement throughout the competition that the IRI seems to excel at year after year.
Reply With Quote
  #13   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-07-2003, 20:34
Unsung FIRST Hero
JVN JVN is offline
@JohnVNeun
AKA: John Vielkind-Neun
FRC #0148 (Robowranglers)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: May 2001
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Greenville, Tx
Posts: 3,159
JVN has a reputation beyond reputeJVN has a reputation beyond reputeJVN has a reputation beyond reputeJVN has a reputation beyond reputeJVN has a reputation beyond reputeJVN has a reputation beyond reputeJVN has a reputation beyond reputeJVN has a reputation beyond reputeJVN has a reputation beyond reputeJVN has a reputation beyond reputeJVN has a reputation beyond repute
2 out of 3 is like an old friend... when you start playing it again, it just feels right.

However, most matches immediately degenerated into "Clear out ALL the boxes, then fight for the ramp"... these matches were more exciting in some ways, but... I must admit, going back to 2 out of 3 took away an interesting dynamic of the finals from this year.

Disclaimer: I like best out of 3 better... I'm just noting something.
__________________
In the interest of full disclosure: I work for VEX Robotics a subsidiary of Innovation First International (IFI) Crown Supplier & Proud Supporter of FIRST
Reply With Quote
  #14   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-07-2003, 20:38
Aaron Lussier's Avatar
Aaron Lussier Aaron Lussier is offline
Volunteer for hire
no team
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Manchester, NH
Posts: 881
Aaron Lussier is a splendid one to beholdAaron Lussier is a splendid one to beholdAaron Lussier is a splendid one to beholdAaron Lussier is a splendid one to beholdAaron Lussier is a splendid one to beholdAaron Lussier is a splendid one to beholdAaron Lussier is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally posted by Paul H
I agree, best of 3 was far more exciting
What he said ^
__________________
Team 151 Student/Mentor 2001-2004
US Navy 2005 -2009
Volunteer 2010 - ???
Field Reset Extraordinaire
Reply With Quote
  #15   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-07-2003, 21:31
Joe Lambie's Avatar
Joe Lambie Joe Lambie is offline
Registered User
FRC #0093 (N.E.W. Apple Corps)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1999
Location: Appleton
Posts: 60
Joe Lambie is a name known to allJoe Lambie is a name known to allJoe Lambie is a name known to allJoe Lambie is a name known to allJoe Lambie is a name known to allJoe Lambie is a name known to all
After attending both a regional and volunteering at this years IRI as well as being a driver for two years in FIRST, I agree with the majority of the people here. Two out of Three is the way to go...I hope FIRST will recognize this and adjust things accordingly.
__________________
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value. I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress and grow brave by reflection. Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct; will pursue his principles onto death."

"Thats what livin' is! The six inches, in front of your face!....."

Joe Lambie
Student Alumni (1999-2002) and Current Mentor - N.A.C. Team 93, Appleton, WI
Michigan Technological University Mechanical Engineering '07 and Alumni Mentor (2005-2007) Team 857
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
IRI Human Competition Dave Scheck Off-Season Events 7 17-07-2003 10:29
More teams in the elimination rounds DougHogg General Forum 16 27-04-2003 16:11
What happened at IRI? Jeff Rodriguez Off-Season Events 38 24-07-2002 18:39
"Official" IRI Announcement David Kelly Off-Season Events 35 04-06-2002 18:32


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 13:31.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi