Encrypted Rules are now available

[Mark McLeod]

Encrypted Rules are now available at:

http://www.usfirst.org/robotics/doc_updt.htm

[Jedi Padawan]

I can't find them there is there a reason?? for some reason it only displays the BOM and old documents. anyone else having this problem?

[Mark McLeod]

Originally Posted by Jedi Padawan

I can't find them there is there a reason?? for some reason it only displays the BOM and old documents. anyone else having this problem?

Try deleting all the temporary Internet files. Your browser is probably going to local disk for web pages it has loaded recently and not bothering to go to the actual site. There are settings in most browsers to specify how often to go looking for web page updates, e.g., look every time or look once a day. My guess is yours is not set to check for page updates very often.

[RogerR]

Originally Posted by jedilearner

what is the code

in internet explorer, go to tools>internet options> and click the buttons 'delete cookies', 'delete files', and 'clear hstory' and that should get 'em all

[Mark McLeod]

Originally Posted by RogerR

in internet explorer, go to tools>internet options> and click the buttons 'delete cookies', 'delete files', and 'clear hstory' and that should get 'em all

And in the same spot look under Settings to see how often your browser is set to refresh it's stack of saved web page files.

[Jedi Padawan]

Hey Eric I just messaged you about that!! DONT TRY AND BREAK IT THAT IS NOT THE WAY WE DO THINGS

[generalbrando]

I have tried downloading the manual when it is first released in the past and there's little hope sometimes of ever getting the connection to work and then getting a decent download rate. I don't know if all this is absolutely necessary, but it can't hurt. And if for some reason someone out there can't manage to download them because they've waited till the last minute and the servers are constantly busy - IM me and I'll hook you up.

[Aignam]

Originally Posted by generalbrando

I have tried downloading the manual when it is first released in the past and there's little hope sometimes of ever getting the connection to work and then getting a decent download rate. I don't know if all this is absolutely necessary, but it can't hurt. And if for some reason someone out there can't manage to download them because they've waited till the last minute and the servers are constantly busy - IM me and I'll hook you up.

I think FIRST might've been better off setting up mirrors for the document, or even asking some FIRST teams or FIRST-ers to mirror the sites. What team wouldn't be more than willing to spare some bandwith? I'm not too sure if all of this trouble and the fuss people are making out of it was worth it...

[IMDWalrus]

Originally Posted by jedilearner

can someone please qive me the code to download the documents so i can atempt to breack the code

Breaking the code is a HUGE no-no. Beyond the fact that it's virtually impossible (you'd need some pretty powerful computers to break it before Saturday morning), it completely violates the spirit of Gracious Professionalism.

[Kyle Fenton]

Well here is what I do know about those documents

The Introduction has 2 pages. The arena has 5 pages to it. The game has 4 pages to it. The robot has 21 pages. The tournament has 4 pages. And the awards has 27 pages to it.

[Jedi Padawan]

Eric, any further talk about this and I'll sign off and notify you know who about you performing illegal actions. The documents will not be available in readable form until kickoff do I make myself clear on that.

P.S. at setup tommorrow I want to speak with you in private.

[Aignam]

Quick messages intended for only one person are best left for Private Messages.

[ErichKeane]

Originally Posted by IMDWalrus

Breaking the code is a HUGE no-no. Beyond the fact that it's virtually impossible (you'd need some pretty powerful computers to break it before Saturday morning), it completely violates the spirit of Gracious Professionalism.

I just wanted to point out that noone is going to break the code unless they are REALLY good guessers. The possible combinations would require years to test with even the best programs.

I earlier this week wrote a program to test as many combinations as possible and compare them to the hash output on the test d/l.

if you assume that they only use letters and numbers, that is 62 characters(case sensitive). You would also assume the password is less than 20 characters long, as the test one i beleive was a whopping 16 or so.

so that equals 62^20 combinatiosn: roughly 7x10^35 combinations. Now, my computer is easily one of the best public access machines in the project(brand new A64 w/a gig a ram!) and i was able to process roughly 45,000 entries per second.

That equals 496380450946359732065174.37892241 years. Thats right, it would take 1 computer longer than the lifespan of the universe to break the code... hense why the government trusts it.

On a further note, the full gov standard uses a larger character set, and 128 code length. it would take roughly 4x10^72 years to break it in that case.

So you see, unless they use some blatently obvoius and guessable password, this is not going to be broken by the kickoff. I dont think CD has to worry about any of the other people breaking the code by the kickoff.

[Andy Grady]

Anyone notice how much different the rulebook structure is? Most notably the two sections after the introduction before the game, communication and arena?

Good Luck
Andy Grady

[Jason Rudolph]

Probably communication regards contacting FIRST, it would make sense for this to be the second section as it is always such an issue. And the arena is just the section on the playing field I would imagine, so it's not that different, just looks like the renamed a few things, and broke up the old game section into the arena and the tournament.