Human Players Only?

[Genome17]

What would happen if in Autonomous Mode OR ANY mode for that matter, you managed to get the robot to drag the goal to where the ball pile is ( high off the ground with the purple balls) and let all the balls drop into the goal?? Is that allowed? I know the robots can't drop in the balls, but essentially gravity is, it's just that the Robot is positioning the Goal under the Balls to get points in.

Do those points count?
Is there a rule??

[Trinora]

Originally Posted by Genome17

What would happen if in Autonomous Mode OR ANY mode for that matter, you managed to get the robot to drag the goal to where the ball pile is ( high off the ground with the purple balls) and let all the balls drop into the goal?? Is that allowed? I know the robots can't drop in the balls, but essentially gravity is, it's just that the Robot is positioning the Goal under the Balls to get points in.

Do those points count?
Is there a rule??

I was trying to think of the same thing.
The goals don't have any way for the robot to find it with a sensor.
You'd have to grab it by the metal, not poles.
Plus, the goals have caps.

[Joe Matt]

But if part of your auton was to knock the ball off, can you do it? It's not the robot scoring directly. If I'm not mistaken, the robot cannot score, not that the human player can only score.

[Trinora]

Originally Posted by JosephM

But if part of your auton was to knock the ball off, can you do it? It's not the robot scoring directly. If I'm not mistaken, the robot cannot score, not that the human player can only score.

Your robot can only touch the yellow balls, so I say you're safe.

[Lisa Rodriguez]

I was thinking the exact same thing, the only problem, if another team knocks you ball off before you can get the goal there, but, hey its a new strategy, i really want to know, it could change a lot of strategies

[Genome17]

Everyone, look at G20 and G19 and G17. What do you think? it's on same topic.

[Don Wright]

I think it's totally legal to move the goal under the falling area of the small balls, remove the covering ball, then go and knock the bonus ball off causing a lot of the balls to fall into the scoring cylinder.

I think what they are are to get away from with the "No robot can assist a ball from entering the goal" is a robot that opens up a huge back stop or something behind the goals and "funnel" any throw balls into the goals.

Again, everyone is going down the path of very literal meanings of the rules, which is what Dean asked us to get away from. It's just like if your robot grabs the goal and moves it closer to the human player making it easier and quicker to get the balls in. The robot assisted by moving the goal closer, but didn't actually asist in putting the ball in.

[gsensel]

Originally Posted by 2000vfr800

I think it's totally legal to move the goal under the falling area of the small balls, remove the covering ball, then go and knock the bonus ball off causing a lot of the balls to fall into the scoring cylinder.

This is not possible if done in auton becsaue as soon as the ball is moved the balls are released so the bot would have to be in 2 places at once.

Originally Posted by 2000vfr800

Again, everyone is going down the path of very literal meanings of the rules, which is what Dean asked us to get away from. It's just like if your robot grabs the goal and moves it closer to the human player making it easier and quicker to get the balls in. The robot assisted by moving the goal closer, but didn't actually asist in putting the ball in.

This should not be a penalty becasuse like is stated above the bot is not asiting the balls in the are going there

[sevisehda]

A robot could easily drag the goal under the chute. However there are 2 catches. 1, You'd either have to have a teammate who could activate the bonus, or you'd have to wait 45 seconds for the auto release. 2, The goal is a relatively small target in comparison to the width of the chute. Before any kind of test I'd say that maybe 4 balls would actually end up in the goal.

Could someone clarify if the 45 second wait is from the start of the match or from the end of autonmous?

[Ashley Weed]

I don't think it would be that strong of a strategy to follow for two reasons -
1. you wouldn't get that many
2. chances are your opponent or partner would activate your side before you got the goal back.

[Joe Matt]

Originally Posted by Ashley Weed

I don't think it would be that strong of a strategy to follow for two reasons -
1. you wouldn't get that many
2. chances are your opponent or partner would activate your side before you got the goal back.

1.) You would have more than if you didn't do it
2.) Not really, add in a delay in the auton

[Elgin Clock]

I love this thread.

Here are my thoughts on it. I want to wait and see if scoring with gravity as an assist will be legal first, but I do have a few thoughts none-the-less.

Ok, time factor.. You can uncap a goal and drag it to your station and wait til the 45 second mark to let the balls fall in.

Or if you want it done in autonomous, try just ramming the goal at max speed and knocking the ball off the top that way (Silly Newton's law) and then just driving it in front of YOUR OPPONENTS corrall thus having all "their" balls fall in your goal!!

Remember people, this year we are not expected to drag the goal to our side for it to be counted as our points. So, you ram the colored goal that your side is, thus making the ball come off the top, and without turning around, just drive the goal to under your opponents corall. If you can pull this off in autonomous, and FIRST says this counts, then you are golden!

Remember, once little balls are scored in a goal, there is no way they come out!

[RoboCoder]

Team update #1 has been released! I suggest everyone reads it.
It turns out that scoring by balls fallling directly from the overhead bins into the mobils goal has been cleared as a valid way to score (the rule was modified). so yay for anyone who was planning on using this strategy

[Greg Needel]

Originally Posted by sevisehda

Could someone clarify if the 45 second wait is from the start of the match or from the end of autonmous?

from the start of the match... the penalty is only 30 secs of driver mode

[Stephen P]

Here's another autonomous idea: the robot reaches up from the starting point and grabs purble balls from the big tray. Just an idea, but is it legal? Maybe first didn't think of it.