pic: 230 pt. celebration

[CD47-Bot]

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[Andy Baker]

I absolutely love this picture. Thanks to TechnoKat Lee Hinze for taking it. There are so many things going on here.

1. The entire field is captured in the picture
2. Many important people are around the field. You can see Dave Ferrera (blue/white Hawaiian shirt), Kenny A, Ed Sparks, Jim Zontag, Dan Green, and Paul Copioli, Mark Breadner, Hut Snow, Tim from 65.
3. The excitement of our cheering section is captured
4. The 716/45 drive team is going crazy.

... and most importantly, look at the two blonde guys in the team 45 drivers station hugging each other. The student with his back to us (Austin) is hugging his dad (Delphi engineer Steve Butler). That look of pure happiness on Steve's face is priceless.

That was quite a moment.

Andy B.

[Chris Hibner]

I knew you guys would do it. In this thread http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...82&postcount=9 I mentioned that I thought you guys would be the highest scoring robot of the year. I thought you had it at Midwest. I'm glad you did it because I had some side action going on that you would pull it off. You cut the timing a little too close for comfort, though.

I also want to give a little credit here to Ken Patton for his "Finger and Thumb" prediction. He hit the nail on the head. Take that, Paul! (ha ha)

-Chris

[Ken Patton]

Originally Posted by Andy Baker

2. Many important people are around the field. You can see...

ummm, there was a meeting of the "2 and out" club going on at the far right side. Now I know why Andy didn't come down and talk to us.

Ken

P.S. thumbs up Paul!

[Alan Anderson]

I captured a view of some of Team 45 cheering in the stands immediately afterwards.

[Ben Lauer]

I am pround to say that I help with the real time scoring on the blue side. Thats me sitting 2 seats to the right of the IFI person.

[generalbrando]

That was my favorite match. I don't care how much people dislike certain aspects of the game this year. The simple fact is that it was so much fun to watch and play. Matches like this made me glad I gave up my Saturday to sit at the computer.

Great job guys.

[Paul Copioli]

Patton,

You weasel! Your finger and thumb scenario did not pan out. Never once did you say a thumb was a robot playing defense on the field. I still claim that 2 TechnoKat like robots would beat a Beatty & Martian (1 offense + 1 defense) team. We may never know.

[Chris Hibner]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

Patton,

You weasel! Your finger and thumb scenario did not pan out. Never once did you say a thumb was a robot playing defense on the field. I still claim that 2 TechnoKat like robots would beat a Beatty & Martian (1 offense + 1 defense) team. We may never know.

Here's how I remember the conversation.

Ken: "The winning alliance at nationals will consist of a finger and a thumb."
Chris: "huh?"
Ken: "There will be one offensive robot (the finger), and one strong defensive robot (the thumb) that will keep the other team from scoring."
Chris: "Sounds reasonable."
Paul: "No way. A finger and a thumb could never beat two great offensive machines."
Ken: "I'm just saying, the alliance that wins the championship will consist of a good finger, and a good thumb."
Paul: "Okay, you're on!"

Then I remember something about singing karaoke in Atlanta. What song did you choose, Paul?

[Ken Patton]

You know Chris, Paul is partially right on this one - I was hoping he might just let me get away with this. He knows that my ideal thumb (and the one I thought would win it all) was a pole-dominator in the style of 190,930,330,237. So, he is <gulp> kind of correct in his observation that I'm being a weasel.

But, Paul, there is no doubt that there was a thumb on the field.

Ken Patton
Team 65
The Weasel Brigade

[Paul Copioli]

Ken,

Very true. However, there were not two fingers on the opposing alliance. My arguement is that a defender trying to stop two offensive robots will get beat very severely. Example: Team 33 and Team 45 (or 303,461,469,1241,93) both have their robots full of balls. O.K. defender, what do you do? Try to stop both and you will stop neither. Try to stop one and the other will score unstopped. Chances are the defender will lose. An off season competition will prove me right ... I know it!

-Paul

[JVN]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

Ken,

Very true. However, there were not two fingers on the opposing alliance. My arguement is that a defender trying to stop two offensive robots will get beat very severely. Example: Team 33 and Team 45 (or 303,461,469,1241,93) both have their robots full of balls. O.K. defender, what do you do? Try to stop both and you will stop neither. Try to stop one and the other will score unstopped. Chances are the defender will lose. An off season competition will prove me right ... I know it!

-Paul

Okay for your consideration,
45 + 33 vs. 494 + 60.

494 plays big D on those pesky technokittens. Shuts them down. 33 goes nuts on offense. 60 does the same. 494 and 60 both hang.

Who wins?
Finger + Thumb.

I gotta agree with Ken on this one Paul.
A more versatile alliance can take down a strictly offensive alliance. Especially if they have the magic hanging capability.

The defensive robot doesn't have to stop both offensive robots. Just one of them. They only need to slow the offensive alliance down enough so that their partner can outscore them.

John

[Paul Copioli]

John,

Let me ask you this: did 494 completely shut down 45? No. And that was when they were only worrying about one robot. Chances are that 494 (or the defensive robot of your choice) will only slow down one of the offensive robots. If you don't like the 33 & 45 matching, how about 45 & 60? 60 and 45 doing all offense while 494 is trying to stop them. When 494 goes to hang so does 60, leaving 45 to cap. If 494 does the defense thing on the stationary, then 60 will defense the defense leaving 45 to cap.

The bottom line is that 494 had to stop 45 from capping, because they could not stop them from getting enough small balls (11 - 13). Add another robot that concentrates, let's say, on the movable goal and caps it. The defensive robot doesn't have a prayer. I am not saying defense doesn't play a part, but 2 robots that PRIMARILY play offense (2 fingers) will beat the finger and the thumb.

Back to the point: Our bet was that a POLE DOMINATOR paired with an offense oriented robot would win. That did not happen. The fact that a defensive robot on the floor is now called a thumb is beyond the scope of the original definition.

However, given this new definition I still say 2 fingers will beat a finger and the "new" thumb.

[Ken Patton]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

Back to the point: Our bet was that a POLE DOMINATOR paired with an offense oriented robot would win. That did not happen. The fact that a defensive robot on the floor is now called a thumb is beyond the scope of the original definition.

However, given this new definition I still say 2 fingers will beat a finger and the "new" thumb.

Paul, Paul, Paul....

You KNOW the guy on the floor can be a thumb. It is NOT beyond the original definition. No chance.

It is, however, beyond the intent of the bet. I thought a pole dominator would make it. That didn't happen (though I was rooting for 330 in Archimedes - they got tipped off the platform before hanging in the semis I think...)

We don't need to create new scenarios - we watched the finals. A Beast-of-all-trades allied with a hanging thumb was the winner. Agreed?

And nobody wins the bet cause we were both wrong....

Ken

[Alaina]

Beach Bots tipped over.