Bosch Motors

[Andy Brockway]

Now that we know that the 2004 Bosch motors and transmissions will not be supplied for 2005, what do you think we will get?

I like the Dewalt motors supplied with the XRP trannsmission.

[Billfred]

I think that we will get another version of a Bosch motor...although with all of the stuff I've heard about Chief Delphi's robot, I'd be more than glad to get those DeWalt trannies.

...unless anyone's heard anything about Mr. Baker being contacted by FIRST.

[David Kelly]

I've heard something about Sears getting involved next season. Maybe something going on with Sears/ Craftsman...

[Elgin Clock]

A quick search on prices for drill motors only on toolpartsdirect.com yeils the following prices.

(All 12V Drills btw.)
Current Bosch Drill motor - $27

Potential new ones:
Skil - $27
Dewalt - $35
Black and Decker - $48
Makita - $46
Hitachi - $89


So, All drills are not created equally.

If cost is an issue, I don't see why they are changing to anything other than the current or the Skil brand motor.

Only time will tell.

[Revolverx7]

I don't know, I work for Sears, I will ask one of my managers.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Revolverx7

I don't know, I work for Sears, I will ask one of my managers.

You don't need to ask about drills... we won't have them this year.

FIRST (accidentally?) didn't encrypt the part of the manual that lists what motors FIRST will have available at events, and drills of any kind were'nt in there

[sanddrag]

Originally Posted by Cory

You don't need to ask about drills... we won't have them this year.

FIRST (accidentally?) didn't encrypt the part of the manual that lists what motors FIRST will have available at events, and drills of any kind were'nt in there

Just because they won't have spares doesn't mean we won't get any.

[Bill Gold]

Originally Posted by sanddrag

Just because they won't have spares doesn't mean we won't get any.

They liquidated their supply since the end of last year. It's a *really* good bet we won't get those 1/2" Drill Motors tomorrow. In fact, I'll bet you a 24-pack of coke (I don't do the Dew, it makes me go "ew" ) we won't get those drill motors. Any takers?

(I doubt there will be any takers)

[sanddrag]

Originally Posted by Bill Gold

They liquidated their supply since the end of last year. It's a *really* good bet we won't get those 1/2" Drill Motors tomorrow. In fact, I'll bet you a 24-pack of coke (I don't do the Dew, it makes me go "ew" ) we won't get those drill motors. Any takers?

(I doubt there will be any takers)

I didn't mean the Bosch drill, we are not getting those, that is a fact. I just meant some drills, or other suitable replacements.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by sanddrag

I didn't mean the Bosch drill, we are not getting those, that is a fact. I just meant some drills, or other suitable replacements.

Why wouldn't FIRST stock spares then?

As far as I can remember, for the 4 competitions I've seen, FIRST has had spares for every motor in the kit

[sanddrag]

Well, if that is the case then we are not getting a replacement. Or maybe there will be 4 CIMs. There is a Mabuchi motor listed. They make motors similar in size and spec to the Bosch Drill, but not gearboxes and I couldn't imagine FIRST doing that.

But something else that was kind of strange is that in section 7 of the manual all of the motors are written in the plural form except for the Fisher Price. Does this mean we are only getting one? Also, what is a Jideco Window motor? (have we had these in any previous years?) And also, I do not see a seat or Van door motor.

Perhaps this is the year of doing more with less?

[Cory]

Originally Posted by sanddrag

Well, if that is the case then we are not getting a replacement. Or maybe there will be 4 CIMs. There is a Mabuchi motor listed. They make motors similar in size and spec to the Bosch Drill, but not gearboxes and I couldn't imagine FIRST doing that.

But something else that was kind of strange is that in section 7 of the manual all of the motors are written in the plural form except for the Fisher Price. Does this mean we are only getting one? Also, what is a Jideco Window motor? (have we had these in any previous years?) And also, I do not see a seat or Van door motor.

Perhaps this is the year of doing more with less?

Last years window motors were Nippon Denso, the previous years were Jideco.

The Van door motor is listed as the "Tiagen power sliding door motor"

[Swampdude]

Whatever they give us I hope they get the specs ready up front. Figures they'd change it now that we're selling kits for the old ones, and designs abound....
Hopefully we can still count on the CIM's, windows, globes and vans (we never use that seat motor). Although those window motor parts are hard to work with.
Seems like if they went through the trouble of making the motor mounts and worm transmission setups, they would keep a drill motor/transmission in the kit. So I doubt they'll drop it. I think the most important thing in the past has been getting the pinion gear info available from looking at the archives. Last year they did a good job with the power curves etc.

[Ted Boucher]

OK.... I was browsing the ifi robotics site and found this http://www.ifirobotics.com/victor-88...ler-robots.htm the new Victor speed controller that runs at 24 volts. Then I looked at the tag and it says "innovation first victor 885" not "ifi robotics victor 885". This led me to believe that the FIRST might be switching over to 24 volts. Now first is selling all the 12 volt motors at the yard sale and this current email. Do you think that this could be true or not?

[Billfred]

If I read IFIRobotics' page on the 885 correctly, the 885 is a higher-current 883. I once emailed IFI about that controller, and they said that the 884 is what they plan on sticking in the kit next year.

Although the best comparison, IMHO, is head-to-head-to-head. The 883 could handle 60 amps continuous. The 884 only does 40, which is fine for FIRST purposes. The 885 does 120--which if memory serves me right is the breaker's limit on the FIRST robot. (Correct me if I'm wrong on that...it's been a while since I've seen Bob.)

Therefore, if we were to see an 885 in the kit next year, we'd also be seeing either a new or vastly upgraded electrical system. And this is assuming we stay at 12 volts. I severely doubt that we'll have a 24v robot next year. If we do, then we've just hit the next generation.