RE:Removing Tetras

[matt111]

I don't have access to the manual until later, but I was wondering if anyone has read anything about removing tetras plaved on the large pryamids? Is it legal?

[MrToast]

I would assume so. I could remove the big balls from last year....

Dave

[BandChick]

I haven't found it in scoring yet, but probably NOT. More than likely there will be NO descoring just like last year. It's not gracious, and besides, you don't need their tetras to score YOUR points.

[UsmanB]

Originally Posted by matt111

I don't have access to the manual until later, but I was wondering if anyone has read anything about removing tetras plaved on the large pryamids? Is it legal?

<G18> ROBOTS can remove or displace TETRAS CONTAINED in a goal, but cannot remove TETRAS
STACKED on a goal. If an alliance ROBOT removes any STACKED TETRA of the opposing alliance, the
TETRA will be SCORED (3 points) and the opposing alliance automatically OWNS the GOAL for the
remainder of the match regardless of what color TETRAS are on the goal. There is no penalty for removing a
TETRA that is precariously positioned on a GOAL or TETRA, but not fully STACKED.

it woulda been more fun and competition if u were able to remove those stacked tetras, oh well. less worries.

[karinka13]

Can you put your team's tetras on the other team's goals? I would think so but you never know

[Alex Pelan]

Yes, you can do that. I'm not sure of the rule, but in the animation and the simulation they showed tetras being stacked.

[jeremy562]

You've gotta read the game rules!

You can stack your tetras on the other teams tetras. Whoever has their color on top of the stack "owns" that goal, at least until the other team puts a tetra on top of it. You could have 3 tetras on top of a goal (worth 9 points), but if the other team has one on top of all of yours (worth 3 points), the goal will count toward their "3 goals in a line" for the 10 point bonus.

If there are no tetras on top of a goal, goal ownership is determined by the tetras inside the goal.

[BandChick]

Originally Posted by jeremy562

You've gotta read the game rules!

You can stack your tetras on the other teams tetras. Whoever has their color on top of the stack "owns" that goal, at least until the other team puts a tetra on top of it. You could have 3 tetras on top of a goal (worth 9 points), but if the other team has one on top of all of yours (worth 3 points), the goal will count toward their "3 goals in a line" for the 10 point bonus.

If there are no tetras on top of a goal, goal ownership is determined by the tetras inside the goal.

Correct. Ownership is determined while the game is in play, and can change througout the game. If, however, a tetra is descored from the cap the opposing alliance maintains ownership of that goal the rest of the match.

In otherwords, if blue descores a red tetra, RED owns it the rest of the game.

[dabbaking]

well it says that the tetras cannot be removed when its in the goal. Im confused about which goal that a tetras can be placed in? Im guessing all of them right?

[UsmanB]

Originally Posted by dabbaking

well it says that the tetras cannot be removed when its in the goal. Im confused about which goal that a tetras can be placed in? Im guessing all of them right?

You can place the tetras in any of the 9 goals. You can place the tetras either on top of the goal (stack) or u can put them inside the goal.

[karinka13]

Tetras can be removed when they're in the goal, just not when they're on the goal...or so one of the people I've been bugging told me

[gumbyrocks667]

u cant remove tetras on right but if there not properly fitted on u can take it off

[ahecht]

Here is an interesting scenerio. You place a tetra of your color on a goal, but keep your robot in contact with that tetra. The other alliance stacks their tetras on top of yours, and you lift up your tetra and dump theirs off. Is this descoring?

Well, according to the definition of STACKED, "A TETRA is not considered STACKED if it is touching a ROBOT of the same alliance." Therefore, your tetra isn't stacked. However, the definition also says "A TETRA is STACKED when it is placed on top of a GOAL or on top of another STACKED TETRA." Therefore, because your tetra isn't stacked, your opponant's tetras were never stacked, and therefore removing them is not descoring.

Likewise, if your teams tetra is below an opponant's tetra and your robot brushes past your tetra, you are making your tetra not stacked, which makes your opponant's tetra not stacked, which means you are descoring. Therefore, touching your tetra under an opponants tetra is descoring even if neither tetra ever moves.

[AmyPrib]

Originally Posted by ahecht

Here is an interesting scenerio. You place a tetra of your color on a goal, but keep your robot in contact with that tetra. The other alliance stacks their tetras on top of yours, and you lift up your tetra and dump theirs off. Is this descoring?

Well, according to the definition of STACKED, "A TETRA is not considered STACKED if it is touching a ROBOT of the same alliance." Therefore, your tetra isn't stacked. However, the definition also says "A TETRA is STACKED when it is placed on top of a GOAL or on top of another STACKED TETRA." Therefore, because your tetra isn't stacked, your opponant's tetras were never stacked, and therefore removing them is not descoring.

Likewise, if your teams tetra is below an opponant's tetra and your robot brushes past your tetra, you are making your tetra not stacked, which makes your opponant's tetra not stacked, which means you are descoring. Therefore, touching your tetra under an opponants tetra is descoring even if neither tetra ever moves.

Good questions for Q/A.
I don't think they would allow that first part, because if I wanted to negate all the opponents points, or an ownage of a goal, I'd just have to go touch one of my tetras anywhere in that stack. Seems like a couple of these rules really circle around each other and end up not making sense when you really read into them.

I think that part about a tetra not being considered "stacked" if you're touching it, is in regard to getting the points at end of match for it. So just don't be touching any of your tetras at the end of the match.

Even though it's a rule, I don't like how you can't be touching your own tetra to get points if it's at the bottom of the stack. You're obviously not supporting it, and it will not fall off the goal if you were not touching it. But I guess it's just the rule... similar to last year with the 2x - you couldn't be touching it to consider it capped... but that was more understandable since the 2x balls were able to fall off easily... so if you were touching it in any way, that could be helping it to stay on the goal... Here my tetra may be under 8 other tetras, but it's not going anywhere! Oh well.
I'm sure we'll get clarification from FIRST.

[ahecht]

Originally Posted by AmyPrib

Good questions for Q/A.
I don't think they would allow that first part, because if I wanted to negate all the opponents points, or an ownage of a goal, I'd just have to go touch one of my tetras anywhere in that stack.

Not quite. At least according to how I read the rules, if you touched one of your tetras, it would only make the tetras above yours not scoring. Plus, if you touched the tetra, that would be descoring, and your opponant would get ownership of the goal. However, if you never broke contact, it isn't descoring, and, as far as I can tell, a legal way to prevent your opponant from scoring any points on that goal.