Best Way to Shoot the Balls??

[ben281]

Hey everyone! I would like to wish everyone luck in the upcoming competition! I think it will prove to be an exciting and fun new challenge.
My question envolves the method of getting the ball to the tall goal. After they showed the softball thrower during the kickoff, that was my best idea! Any other ideas out there that you want to share? its seems to me that anything pneumatic or spring loaded would take way too long to shoot, considering the number of balls on the field. Thanks a bunch and good luck in the upcoming competition!

Ben
Team 281 - ex student

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im thinking of a hot wheels sort of thing where u pick the balls up they go down into a basket or some sort of holding device and then shoot up between 2 wheels kinda the same thing but w/e

[stinger]

Originally Posted by |20807 61|2|_

im thinking of a hot wheels sort of thing where u pick the balls up they go down into a basket or some sort of holding device and then shoot up between 2 wheels kinda the same thing but w/e

ditto

[Chuck Glick]

Originally Posted by ben281

Hey everyone! I would like to wish everyone luck in the upcoming competition! I think it will prove to be an exciting and fun new challenge.
My question envolves the method of getting the ball to the tall goal. After they showed the softball thrower during the kickoff, that was my best idea! Any other ideas out there that you want to share? its seems to me that anything pneumatic or spring loaded would take way too long to shoot, considering the number of balls on the field. Thanks a bunch and good luck in the upcoming competition!

Ben
Team 281 - ex student

softball type thing is way to go... i mean you can keep feedin' um in and you can shoot a bunch at once. pneumatic and spring would take too long... i'd only do it that way if thats you secondary "weapon" or if your attempting to shoot from a distance ACCURATELY. i think only a handfull for teams are gonna go for that center goal too and theres gonna be a lot of defence and "battlebots" type action, except in a controled manner.

[ben281]

I find that really interesting you don't think many will go for the center goal. i was honestly really usure about that myself. I mean, you only have to get 1 out of 3 to make it worth your while, but it will prove to be very challenging, no doubt there. thanks for the input

[I'mwithstupid^]

I think that it would be easy to do a pneumatic system that would be fast. You just use a double solenoid and a hopper (like a paint ball gun) and the ball falls down into chamber and than is shoved out by a plate on the end of a pnumatic system, than automatically the cylinder pulls back and another falls in and repeats, and if this isnt fast enough for you, these aren't complex shooting machines which means you could build two of them fairly easily.
you can have alternating firing mechanisms, so that one fires while the other reloads. Also you could use a pulley system to shorten the time of retraction for your springs. If you've got any corrections plz feel free

[Parker]

Originally Posted by I'mwithstupid^

I think that it would be easy to do a pneumatic system that would be fast. You just use a double solenoid and a hopper (like a paint ball gun) and the ball falls down into chamber and than is shoved out by a plate on the end of a pnumatic system, than automatically the cylinder pulls back and another falls in and repeats, and if this isnt fast enough for you, these aren't complex shooting machines which means you could build two of them fairly easily.
you can have alternating firing mechanisms, so that one fires while the other reloads. Also you could use a pulley system to shorten the time of retraction for your springs. If you've got any corrections plz feel free

Pneumatics won't fire at fast enough speeds. On paintball gunns the piston pulls back the bolt and pressurized gas shoots the ball.

[Mr.G]

I can't wait to see people practicing in the pits. LOL

[KenWittlief]

the laws of physics say that any way you use to transfer energy to your shooter is going to take some time to get the necessary energy transferred to it for the first shot, and then to spool-up again for the repeated shots

something to keep in mind. Its easy to see with something like pneumatics, where the pressure has to be resupplied, and less obvious with something like a baseball (wheel based) launcher. It will slow down after a ball is fired, and will take a specific amount of time to get back up to launch-speed.

[Lil' Lavery]

a trebuchet would totally win the cool award
Im trying to think of an effective way to rifle the ball in a mechanism similar to the softball laucher.
there are also many hybrid ideas to the softball laucher, including tubes with belts in them, multi-ball lauchers, "gatling guns" etc etc etc

[sciguy125]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Im trying to think of an effective way to rifle the ball in a mechanism similar to the softball laucher.
there are also many hybrid ideas to the softball laucher, including tubes with belts in them, multi-ball lauchers, "gatling guns" etc etc etc

I was thinking about rifling also. The main problem with putting groves in the barrel is that it would either cut up the ball or simply slow it down too much. I was thinking about adding a set of rotational wheels. If there's a set of wheels mounted perpendicular to the "launching" wheels, it could spin the ball. You'd probably have to use a set of omniwheels though. You'd also have to make sure that the barrel is relatively low-friction.

For a little bit today, we were considering a gatling gun style device. Had it not been discounted for impracticality, it would have been pretty cool.

[Masterfork]

Originally Posted by sciguy125

I was thinking about rifling also. The main problem with putting groves in the barrel is that it would either cut up the ball or simply slow it down too much. I was thinking about adding a set of rotational wheels. If there's a set of wheels mounted perpendicular to the "launching" wheels, it could spin the ball. You'd probably have to use a set of omniwheels though. You'd also have to make sure that the barrel is relatively low-friction.

For a little bit today, we were considering a gatling gun style device. Had it not been discounted for impracticality, it would have been pretty cool.

LOL WELL WE LOOKED AT rifling but the thing is it is to complex but if u are trying to get a spin on the ball of that sort try doing what some paintball barrels do. which would be cut holes in a spiral sequences around the barral to let the air flow give it some spin, that was one way i could imagine doing it farely but rifling it by cutting or putting grooves would slow it down tramendously but that is what happens in a gun. i would also imagine that actual rifling would cut up the ball. also one way could be to sort of making a slight elavation in the inside surface of the barrel and spiral it to do the spinning. something I would also like to say is that it would prolly be a waste of supplies and time to try to rifle it becuase the rifling works so well with a real gun is because the bullet is actaully sealing the barrelfrom the charge so it can use the propulsion of the powder or gas made by it and grip the grooves of the barrel . which means applying it to this game would mean those balls would have to be a tight fit to grip the rifling or spin as well as a bullet.

and shooting balls with rifling well at least when i muzzle load with lead balls the rifling makes the balls rise(not curve it stays on a straight path it just rises at a distance) to a small extent at like 50 yds on a muzzleloader but very acurate still just keep that in mind if u found a way to impliment it because it might be affected in the same waybut if successful please tell me how because i would really like to see how that would work and how well it would too but i would not recommend the waste of time it might involve

[Andrew Blair]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Im trying to think of an effective way to rifle the ball in a mechanism similar to the softball laucher.

I'm not sure that you need to introduce that kind of axial spin to achieve greater accuracy. I would imagine it would be best, but very difficult. Air Soft guns use a system called Hop Up, where spin is put onto the pellet to increase accuracy and range. I do not believe that it gives spin in the direction rifling would, but rather, in a axis perpendicular to the direction of travel.

[techtiger1]

Ben good thread. My team after yestersday has a pretty good idea of what where going to be doing as far as the robot, however the shooting mechanism is something that was really up in the air yesterday as far as our ideas well a few arised but this one I think was the one I liked best. This idea uses the softball machine analogy, basically we were talking about using the four kit wheels with two motors and some how feeding them through the two sets of kit wheels. There are a few problems off the top of my head that I can think of with this, but just thowing an idea out there. I love the game it rocks, Shooting and shooting accurately is going to be a process to figure out.

Good luck to all the teams,
Drew

[ben281]

mm...no matter what the design i think the ball will need to have spin on it. if not, the ball may vibrate to a stall in a barrel. its a lot easier to get a metal bullet to slide through a gun, than a rubber ball. spin should keep the ball more stable and flying straighter.