Ball Collection By Defensive Alliance

[ewankoff]

can some one tell me the point of a backbot?
if its on defence it cant shoot and score right?

another question: do you score on your alliance station or the one across the field?

[Ryan M.]

Originally Posted by ewankoff

can some one tell me the point of a backbot?
if its on defence it cant shoot and score right?

Correct. The only thing it can do is collect balls to be ready for its alliance's turn on offense.

Originally Posted by ewankoff

another question: do you score on your alliance station or the one across the field?

The one across the field.

[Kelvin Ng]

I'm wondering...while an alliance is on defense, is that alliance allowed to gather balls dropped by the offensive alliance on the field? kinda like...stealing? =)

also, balls dropped into the corner goals are never retrieved again are they...so if all 80 balls are scored in corner goals, is that the end of the match?

[Tim Delles]

I'm wondering...while an alliance is on defense, is that alliance allowed to gather balls dropped by the offensive alliance on the field? kinda like...stealing? =)

The rules do not state that you can't pick up the balls. I hope you can cause relying on the human player all the time would not be cool. (No disrespect to the human players, its just at times its faster to do it with the robot)

also, balls dropped into the corner goals are never retrieved again are they...so if all 80 balls are scored in corner goals, is that the end of the match?

All balls entered into any goal can come back onto the field. However since you are scoring on the opposite side of the field, its your opponents that get to put the balls on the field when they want (meaning throwing them onto the field or into robots)

[Madison]

Originally Posted by Tim Delles

All balls entered into any goal can come back onto the field. However since you are scoring on the opposite side of the field, its your opponents that get to put the balls on the field when they want (meaning throwing them onto the field or into robots)

During your opponent's offensive period, your human players may immediately return balls into play -- either by throwing them to your BACKBOT or by loading them directly into one of the two robots you have playing defense.

Does anyone disagree with that interpretation?

[Tim Delles]

I would have to agree with that. Since i've been over thr rule book so many times and i was dreaming about it last night and i'm 99.9% sure that there is no rule that says "your Human Player can only enter balls onto the field when you are playing offense." (***This is not a rule, so please do not start to yell about it as you can say it say I'm 99% sure there is no rule that says ....***)

[AmyPrib]

100% sure. Balls go in, balls come right back out, IF the HP decides to throw them on the field.

The backbot can pick up anything on that side of the field. Also, the backbots can change dynamically throughout the match, so if your partner gets "tired" of offense, they can switch with you, like a substitution. Just as long as there is 1 backbot at all times.

[Ashley Christine]

A backbot can actually be a huge deal if you think about it, there are a lot of possiblities with what can be done with this bot. At least for a short amount of time. Gotta strategize.

And yes, the balls are constantly cycled through, but like Amy said, thats IF the human players throw them onto the field.

[Kelvin Ng]

Originally Posted by Ashley Christine

And yes, the balls are constantly cycled through, but like Amy said, thats IF the human players throw them onto the field.

Lets get my thinking straight. =)

the offensive alliance scores in the goals.
the defense alliance's human players return the balls to the field.
the defensive alliance may toss the balls to the backbot or bots playing defense.
balls returned to the field by the defensive alliance HP's may be retrieved by the offensive robots, given the opportunity.

in order for the defensive alliance to have any balls to score when they go on offense, it would be best if the human players return the balls during the period when they are playign defense.

this is all so confusing =)

[Ashley Christine]

Lol, dont worry, you will get it. Watch the animation a feew times... and read section 4: The Game in the manual a few times. And then just play around with ideas.

You have the general idea already

[mpob]

Originally Posted by Ashley Christine

Lol, dont worry, you will get it. Watch the animation a feew times... and read section 4: The Game in the manual a few times. And then just play around with ideas.

You have the general idea already

If you are on defense you want to gather, steal, collect, all of the balls,
and starve the other side of ammo.

I don't see why a team on defense would throw anything onto the field, except when the back bot, backed up to the wall and you could load it up.

if you are on defense and you get all 80 balls, and there is still 20 seconds left in that game period, why would you throw them onto the field?
You want to stop the other side from scoring!
If you hold all the balls, the offense cannot score, then when the next period happens you are on offense and you can use all that ammo!
(balls = ammo)


--Mike

[sciencenerd]

Originally Posted by Ashley Christine

A backbot can actually be a huge deal if you think about it, there are a lot of possiblities with what can be done with this bot. At least for a short amount of time. Gotta strategize.

Originally Posted by SoccerNerd36

Just a thought: Wouldn't it be smart to put your best shooter as the back bot because if he can collect balls while his team is on defense, right before they become offense he can line place himself at a perfect spot in front of the goal, and unload as soon as the green light turns on. The other bots will be on offense and there will be a period of time when hes wide open in front of the goal resulting in high accuracy and high points.

Of course, one must remember that the backbot isn't guaranteed the run of half the field. Any other robot in the game can come there too, the only difference is the backbot has to stay there. So if it turns out that unobstructed, a backbot is way too effective, it is entirely possible that the alliance on offense will send one robot back to intercept and harass the backbot as it collects balls and gets lined up to score.

[Wetzel]

Originally Posted by ewankoff

can some one tell me the point of a backbot?

To allow a 3 on 2 situation, hopefully leading to high scoring games.

Wetzel

[Ashley Christine]

Yeah, the more scoring, the closer the matches... possibly. :: ponders :: oh the possibilities!

[Lil' Lavery]

due to the clutter in front of the center goal in the "offensive zone" or around the corner goals depending on robot capabilities, I wouldnt be surprised to see some of the better shooting bots get on their side of the field, and then the backbot may have the oppurtunity to actually play defense. Also, against a team that is hording balls, the only available balls bay be on the other side of the field, once again bring the backbot into the action.
That combined with other tasks like gathering balls etc the backbot will have an important role