Sundial - Feedback Requested, Please

[Pat Fairbank]

Hello all,

As some of you may have seen, a service called "Sundial" was tested out at a few regionals and the Championship this year. This service consisted of a wireless network that teams could connect to in order to view a much more user-friendly version of the match list, as well as a countdown to a team's next match that stays synchronized to the field. Functionality to display the current team standings was added in for the 5th week regional, and qualification match results, including such previously unavailable data as number of centre and corner goals scored, number of robots on ramp, and penalties, were made available for the Championship.

I'm pleased to report that about 30 teams used Sundial at each regional it was set up at (BAE, UTC, Boston & Toronto). In addition, 50 teams from Archimedes, 37 teams from Curie, 36 teams from Galileo, and 41 teams from Newton logged on to Sundial at the Championships. Out of those 164, 76 stayed online for at least 2 hours. I'd like to apologize to those teams who had trouble connecting to Sundial at the Championships, especially on Friday morning. There was a problem with one of the NASA-provided access points at the south end of the pits, and although I was aware of the problem at 8 AM, it wasn't until 1 PM that it could be isolated and fixed.


Anyway, this thread is for anyone who has comments (positive and negative) about the Sundial service, or suggestions on how it could be improved. Was the interface intuitive to use or insufficiently so? Were the standings and match results useful? Any features that you would like to see next year? I'd also be happy to entertain questions about how Sundial works and how it interfaces with the FIRST scoring system.

With a bit of luck we'll be seeing Sundial at every regional next year, so any comments you might have would be greatly appreciated.


On a side note, while I'm a fairly proficient programmer, I don't have an ounce of artistic talent, so if anyone with a good amount of Flash experience is interested in helping make Sundial look better, please drop me a line.

[Bill_Hancoc]

Other than the not being able to connect in the newton pits for most of the time eventuly we got on fri afternoon but sat was impossible...it was a great design and worked great the info about wether they were running on shcedule or not was helpful...but i think you guys need more access points

[Chris Marra]

I noticed some teams on sundial at the UTC regional this year after its debut at last year's, and I wanted to connect, but did not know the web address (sundial.first) to go to once I was on the network. Perhaps if you set up your server's zones to redirect any DNS request to the page it would help some people out.

What I did end up seeing of it in other team's pits looked very nice to me and it seemed to work fine. I'd love to see it at every regional next year.

[Bill_Hancoc]

i just thought of this but giving it to certain other teams to host at regionals that you are not going to would be helpful

[Chaos204]

Unfortunately team 204 was unable to connect because we did not have a computer that had wireless connection! But we were able to use a form of it to help us decide whether things were running late because the team across the isle in the pits had their laptop pointing out wards and were were able to see delays.

Even with my limited use of the system i found it a very powerful tool for teams. Especially in Atlanta where there was no queuing announcements.

thanks for puting it together

[dubious elise]

We loved having the service available since our match lists had the tendency to wander away from the pits in someone's pocket. My only complaint would be the inability to account for whether the field was running ahead of or behind schedule, which is much harder to gauge and account for anyway. Thank you very much for providing it!

[Kyle Love]

Sundial, I love it! It was the most handy thing to have in the pit this year. I hope it returns for the 07 season.

[kryptic]

I loved Sundial (when I could connect that is). Most of the time I was unable to connect from the Newton pits, but the one time I was able to get on (Friday afternoon I believe) it was amazing.

My only suggestion would be to link up with STAMP or anyone else that is running wifi nets and provide a common wireless network with multiple access points that are linked with hardwires so that teams can connect from anywhere in the pits and can access all the services offered (stamp AND sundial together = awesome). Plus it would cut down on the cost.

[Chris Marra]

Thinking about it again, was Sundial available in the stands at Nationals? I'm pretty sure it was still in range at UTC, but I know at Nationals our very limited scouting team would have loved having a laptop that was indicating matches upcoming and what teams were in them, or even just when our next match (and their break) was.

[Rickertsen2]

Were yall entering the data manually, or was it coming from the FIRST computers?

[Pat Fairbank]

Originally Posted by Rickertsen2

Were yall entering the data manually, or was it coming from the FIRST computers?

The Sundial server computer was set up on the scoring table behind Einstein field. We had two network cables plugged into the NASA switch there: one connected to the VLAN on which the four divisional scoring computers were located, and one connected to the WiFi VLAN. All the data was being transferred electronically from the FIRST scoring computers, and no human interaction was required.

The wireless networking was all provided by NASA. There was a single access point in the dome (intended mainly for diagnostic purposes) and I believe three in the pits, but as Jeff said the numerous ad-hoc networks were causing a lot of interference. Also, one of the access points lost its connection to the rest of the network on Friday morning, and wasn't repaired until much later that day. I apologize for this, and I will be doing my best over the next year to make the necessary arrangements so that this doesn't happen again.

[Mahalis]

Our team found it useful on the few occasions we could connect to it. The signal was fluctuating like crazy in the Curie pits and when I tried to connect I alternately got "The 'first' wireless network is using an Access Control List to restrict connections" and "There was an error joining the wireless network 'first';" hitting "Try Again" twenty or thirty times usually got me in, but on Saturday I couldn't connect at all. Oddly enough, the signal seemed to work better in the Dome than in the pits - I only had to "Try Again" five or six times.
All in all, a really useful service that could benefit from some relay stations or a better antenna.

[Qbranch]

SUNDIAL IS AWESOME!

It was pretty much essential at Nationals. I really hope it is at every single FIRST event next season.

Many thanks to the creators of sundial!

-Q

btw: has a great name too

[ahecht]

Sundial was great at Nationals, when we could connect. I found that I had full signal, but I would have to try 5 to 10 times to get an IP address.

[MattD]

Originally Posted by Chris Marra

Thinking about it again, was Sundial available in the stands at Nationals? I'm pretty sure it was still in range at UTC, but I know at Nationals our very limited scouting team would have loved having a laptop that was indicating matches upcoming and what teams were in them, or even just when our next match (and their break) was.

I was able to connect to the Sundial on Saturday over by the Curie stands.. but strangely enough I had a hard time trying to get it to work in the pits earlier on that day.