Pneumatic Components Order form

[Stephen Kowski]

Maybe I am missing it on the site, but does anyone know where to find the Pneumatic Components Order form for 2007? I would like to see if there have been any changes to the cylinder sizes we can use, or should we just go off of last years form?

Thanks

[Ted Boucher]

Hrmmm, it is normally the very last page in the pneumatics manual. Have you looked there? (I have not downloaded everything yet so I don't know)

[Kevin Sevcik]

The problem would be that the Pneumatics Manual isn't available for download yet. I imagine it'll be up when FIRST ships out the rest of the pneumatics parts as mentioned in this Email Blast.

[jparkteach]

It appears as though this website is already setup to accept orders.
http://www.bimba.com/FirstFree.aspx

However, I may wait until either the rest of the pneumatics KOP arrives and/or the manual becomes available.

[Peter Matteson]

Originally Posted by jparkteach

It appears as though this website is already setup to accept orders.
http://www.bimba.com/FirstFree.aspx

However, I may wait until either the rest of the pneumatics KOP arrives and/or the manual becomes available.

The problem is ist's a little bit more difficult to figure out what cylinder sizes and options are allowed this year without the info that is usualy in the manual and order form. I was wondering about this as well. I want to know what stroke lengths and options are legal this year.

[Stephen Kowski]

Originally Posted by Peter Matteson

The problem is ist's a little bit more difficult to figure out what cylinder sizes and options are allowed this year without the info that is usualy in the manual and order form. I was wondering about this as well. I want to know what stroke lengths and options are legal this year.

It looks as if the site limits your selections so I would assume that those are the lengths allowed.

For everyone's ease of viewing (of course this is not official):

Stroke Length
3/4" bore (in inches): .5, 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10
1 1/2" bore (in inches): .5, 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 24
2" bore (in inches): .5, 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 24

Also the 3/4 Bore, 90° Rotation Rotary Actuator is available it seems.
Finally the limit is stated as: (3)Total Cylinders/Actuators, (1)Rotary Actuator.

gl everyone

[Greg Marra]

<R106> The following pneumatics items may be added to the ROBOT:
* Prior year FIRST Kit Of Parts pneumatic cylinders, solenoid valves, and pneumatic tubing may be used in addition to those items in the 2007 Kit Of Parts. Their costs must be accounted for explained in Section 8.3.4.3 Additional Parts - Cost Limits and Accounting.

That may help.

[sanddrag]

There are some discrepancies between the available bores on the Bimba website and in the last page of the pneumatics manual. Particularly, the availability/legality of 1.5" bore 12" stroke. Can we use this?

[Gboehm]

What do they mean by the mounting dimensions (DP, DP, DXP)?

[Gabe]

Originally Posted by Gboehm

What do they mean by the mounting dimensions (DP, DP, DXP)?

You'll notice that this is determined by what bore you choose, so I doesn't end up mattering in the end.

[sanddrag]

I called Bimba and spoketo their person who deals with the orders from FRC teams. The strokes on their site are correct. That is what they are giving free to FRC teams. That's what they said. It may or may not coincide with what FIRST says.

[Peter Matteson]

Originally Posted by Stephen Kowski

It looks as if the site limits your selections so I would assume that those are the lengths allowed.

For everyone's ease of viewing (of course this is not official):

Stroke Length
3/4" bore (in inches): .5, 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10
1 1/2" bore (in inches): .5, 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 24
2" bore (in inches): .5, 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 24

Also the 3/4 Bore, 90° Rotation Rotary Actuator is available it seems.
Finally the limit is stated as: (3)Total Cylinders/Actuators, (1)Rotary Actuator.

gl everyone

Just as I was worried about the 12" and 24" throw cylinders are NOT listed on the order form in the pneumatics manual even though there are in the online order form. I still want this clarified so I'll Q&A if no one has yet.

Edit: The verdict is not legal per the Q&A forum.
http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=1246

[sanddrag]

The manual says to check the Bimba website for available stroke lengths. There are stroke lengths on Bimba's site that are not on the last page on the pneumatics manual. You can get, for example, a 1712-DP from Bimba's online order form for FIRST teams. They will ship it to you, and you will have paid nothing. I even called them and this is the case. So, if they aren't allowed, FIRST needs to say so very loudly and very quickly, and needs to tell Bimba to stop offering them. Until that happens, I say anything Bimba wil give you through their FIRST team order page is fair game.

They were allowed in previous years. Does that right there make them legal?

On a side note, I have no idea why I cannot post in the official forum (with the username and password given in TIMS). If anyone can help, PM me.

[Chris Fultz]

Originally Posted by sanddrag

The manual says to check the Bimba website for available stroke lengths...Until that happens, I say anything Bimba wil give you through their FIRST team order page is fair game.

Rule <R105> says you can use additional air cylinders but is very clear

"However, they must be indetical to those listed on the Pneumatics Order Form".

Checking the Bimba site for available lengths just means that some of the sizes listed on in the manual might not be available - check to see if they are. It does not mean order any size you want.

We are posing a formal question on the Q&A, but unless FIRST says otherwise I would stay with only the sizes listed in the Manual because it is the FIRST document - the web site is not run by FIRST and the rep is not a FIRST employee., so they cannot change the official rules.

[Tuba4]

Be very, very careful when you use the online order form from Bimba. You can only legally order those cylinder sizes that are listed on the order form in the Pneumatics Manual.

Question:
"Rule 105 states that you must use pneumatic cylinders that are identical to the ones on the Pneumatic Components Order Form. The Pneumatic Components Order form also states to check the Bimba web site for available strokes in each bore size. Both the online Free Pneumatic Components Order Form and the online Bimba Product Catalog list more choices for stroke length than are listed on the printed order form from the Pneumatics Manual. Can you use a cylinder that is on the online order form or the product catalog but not on the printed order form in the Pneumatics Manual? For example: 1724-DP is available on the online order form but not listed in the printed manual...is it legal to use? As another example: 3118-DXP is listed as a standard cylinder on the Bimba website but is not listed on the printed pneumatic component order form...is it legal to use? In each case they are both legal types of cylinder but with strokes different from what is listed on the Pneumatic Components Order Form as printed in the Pneumatics Manual."

Answer:

"As specified in Rule <R105>, additional pistons "must be identical to those listed on the Pneumatic Components Order form (i.e. same part numbers)." Parts 1724-DP and 3118-DXP are not available on the Pneumatics Components Order Form, and therefore are not permitted."