YMTC: The Twelve Batteries of Christmas

[Natchez]

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Redateam made it! Redateam finally achieved its goal of competing in the elimination rounds of the Championships. Better yet, Redateam made it to the Archimedes semifinals by squeaking out a 3 match win over a formidable Blualliance. While Redateam was preparing for the Archimedes semifinals, Mary-Catherine, the assistant head ref of the Archimedes Division and the sister of Bobby-Jo from the Magnolia Regional, strolled by Redateam's makeshift pit on the Georgia Dome floor. She instantly noticed a Christmas tree, soon to realize that it was a stack of batteries and chargers, one battery for each day of Christmas, twelve in all. Mary-Catherine inquired, "That's a lot of batteries, do you need that many?" A Redateam member proudly replied, "Yes 'mam, we've already used three of them!" Mary-Catherine then walked to the Archimedes head ref and had a lengthy discussion.

Based on the 2007 Rules, YOU MAKE THE CALL!

[Joe Ross]

There's one important detail left out of the story. Are the 12 batteries of christmas PN ES17-12 or are they different?

If they are ES17-12, then per this Q/A, they are legal: http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=1682

I'm curious as to what the penalty is for breaking a Robot rule after the robot has passed inspection. I would think that a DQ would be the correct call if found immediately after the match, but they may have already advanced several rounds into the playoffs by the time it is discovered.

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

There's one important detail left out of the story. Are the 12 batteries of christmas PN ES17-12 or are they different?

If they are ES17-12, then per this Q/A, they are legal: http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=1682

I'm curious as to what the penalty is for breaking a Robot rule after the robot has passed inspection. I would think that a DQ would be the correct call if found immediately after the match, but they may have already advanced several rounds into the playoffs by the time it is discovered.

I agree with Joe -- if all the batteries are identical to the two ES17-12 KoP batteries (and only one goes in the robot) then there is no rules violation.

To Joe's second question, suspected non-compliance with a robot rule should result in reinspection under <R113> or <R116>, and the non-compliance identified during reinspection would have to be corrected, otherwise that robot is no longer a ROBOT (per 7.2.1 "anything that has passed ROBOT inspection that a TEAM places on the field prior to the start of a match") and is subject to disqualification from the event under <R112>. When the non-compliance has been corrected the robot is a ROBOT again and can compete.

[meaubry]

Unless we are missing something like Joe and Richard have pointed out - there is no penalty involved.
A team can have as many "legal" batteries as they want to (or can afford).
Illegal batteries are not allowed in regulation matches.
I assume last years batteries are legal for practice - but come Friday - you better be sure to not get last years mixed up with this years.

[mtaman02]

Are the batteries that were shaped into a tree formation are previous years batteries? I think a new situation should be made up with more information in order to get a better call. Too much information is missing.

[EricH]

Specify the type: Exide or the new ones? If they're Exide ES-whatever, reinspect. If, however, they are identical to the ones in the kit, they're perfectly legal. Note: if the tree is mixed, only the current batteries are legal. All others are not.

By the way, at this point, this is practically a "why is this a question at all" YMTC. It's been answered, I believe. You tell us which batteries and we'll call it.