Has a hybrid won yet?

[chaoticprout]

Hey guys, been reading up on the Week 1 competitions, I was wondering if any arm/ramp hybrids have won yet. Thanks.

[Chris Marra]

Although I am uncertain about alliance leaders which are hybrids, at NJ team 1302 was the second pick in the alliance with 25 and 103 that won the regional. They had both a 12" ramp for one (maybe two?) robot, and an effective capper.

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by Chris Marra

Although I am uncertain about alliance leaders which are hybrids, at NJ team 1302 was the second pick in the alliance with 25 and 103 that won the regional. They had both a 12" ramp for one (maybe two?) robot, and an effective capper.

Did they use the ramps to win? How many tubes did they score?

I don't remember exactly, but didn't 25 win the finals with tubes alone?

[Ed Coleman]

Team 829 that I am a mentor for has a hybrid bot and won the St. Louis regional. However we decided to go defense and ramp rather than score due to our alliance having better arms than us.

[Schnabel]

Originally Posted by Ed Coleman

Team 829 that I am a mentor for has a hybrid bot and won the St. Louis regional. However we decided to go defense and ramp rather than score due to our alliance having better arms than us.

Yes, and you guys were amazing!

[Richard Wallace]

I guess I just don't understand the question. Has a hybrid won yet?

Has any robot or team won yet? I say no. Alliances win regionals, not robots or teams. Should we say 1444 won the St. Louis regional because they were the captain of the winning alliance? Should we say 45 won it because they were the 'senior' team on the winning alliance? Should we say the Digital Goats won it because they enabled both of their alliance partners to score 30 bonus points in F2, and also defended the rack against the amazing onslaught of 148 and 217?

None of the above. 1444 / 45 / 829 won the 2007 St. Louis Regional. One of them happened to be a hybrid. I think we'll see similar winning alliances several times as the 2007 season progresses.

I'll be really surprised if an alliance without a ramp wins any 2007 regional event.

[1596guy]

Being a hybrid brings up a lot of questions. Since we have our first (and only regional, sadly) on Thursday, we've been bantering about hybrid strategy almost nonstop. However, since our ramp was an underweight afterthought, we'll focus on capping.

[Rich Ross]

hybrids have won as part of an alliance, but given the recent slew of pictures, i think the question that will answer yours is:

Has the Great Lakes Regional happened yet?

(now, more than ever, i am convinced that Michigan one of the top states for FIRST, both in quality and quantity)

[chaoticprout]

Originally Posted by Richard

I guess I just don't understand the question. Has a hybrid won yet?

Has any robot or team won yet? I say no. Alliances win regionals, not robots or teams. Should we say 1444 won the St. Louis regional because they were the captain of the winning alliance? Should we say 45 won it because they were the 'senior' team on the winning alliance? Should we say the Digital Goats won it because they enabled both of their alliance partners to score 30 bonus points in F2, and also defended the rack against the amazing onslaught of 148 and 217?

None of the above. 1444 / 45 / 829 won the 2007 St. Louis Regional. One of them happened to be a hybrid. I think we'll see similar winning alliances several times as the 2007 season progresses.

I'll be really surprised if an alliance without a ramp wins any 2007 regional event.

What I meant when I made the thread, which should have been explained in the first post, is that most/all hybrids that I've seen have been mediocre when trying to do both scoring and ramping/lifting. I was wondering If a team had won a hybrid while doing both functions with their alliance.

~Michael

[Petey]

Originally Posted by chaoticprout

What I meant when I made the thread, which should have been explained in the first post, is that most/all hybrids that I've seen have been mediocre when trying to do both scoring and ramping/lifting. I was wondering If a team had won a hybrid while doing both functions with their alliance.

~Michael

There were several dominant ramp/scorers at BAE that, had the competition been 1 on 1 and simply deploying the ramp garnered you bonus points, would have won. Team 179 comes to mind.

BAE GSR winning alliance did not have a hybrid. Their ramp bot could have had a scorer, but it was superfluous and all they did was just sit in the end zone and set up as soon as the match began.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by Petey

BAE GSR winning alliance did not have a hybrid. Their ramp bot could have had a scorer, but it was superfluous and all they did was just sit in the end zone and set up as soon as the match began.

Please don't make statements like this that are not true.

Of the 7 elimination matches that Team 1824 (the ramp bot) played, we sat in the home zone only once (the last match as we had broken a wire to the motor on our latching system, thus we left the ramp/platform unlocked for the start of that match). Go back and review the tape

In all the other elimination matches we played hard defense on the other side of the field, defending the rack from the opposing alliances best scorer (quite effectively). As an example of how much defense we were playing, we broke our front bumper (Twice) pushing other robots.

Sometimes it's more effective to stop a great scorer, than to score yourself.

In a game where there are alliances (such as this one) your robot does not need to do everything, all it needs to do is a few things great. Hybrids (arm/ramp) generally are good at a most things but great at nothing.

JMHO

[Nuttyman54]

The SVR winning alliance actually had two hybrids (190 and 1280) and one pure defense robot (1516). 1280 only used their ramps once in the elims, when 190 lost power due to a wire working itself loose mid-match.

I have to say, it was quite impressive watching our backup plan pull through for the points (even though we lost the match)

[George A.]

1302 won their second match today, they have a pretty efficient arm, and a ramp that was used several times. Watch out atlanta.

[nparikh]

Originally Posted by Richard

I guess I just don't understand the question. Has a hybrid won yet?

Has any robot or team won yet? I say no. Alliances win regionals, not robots or teams. Should we say 1444 won the St. Louis regional because they were the captain of the winning alliance? Should we say 45 won it because they were the 'senior' team on the winning alliance? Should we say the Digital Goats won it because they enabled both of their alliance partners to score 30 bonus points in F2, and also defended the rack against the amazing onslaught of 148 and 217?

None of the above. 1444 / 45 / 829 won the 2007 St. Louis Regional. One of them happened to be a hybrid. I think we'll see similar winning alliances several times as the 2007 season progresses.

I'll be really surprised if an alliance without a ramp wins any 2007 regional event.

Why? If you have 3 effective cappers and can put up rows of 7/8 you've already beat anything a ramp could give you.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by nparikh

Why? If you have 3 effective cappers and can put up rows of 7/8 you've already beat anything a ramp could give you.

Row of 8=256 points
Row of 8-1 spoiler=row of 7=128 points
Row of 8-2 spoilers=2 rows of 3=16 points
Additionally, you have to place 8 tubes before the opponents can place a single on that level. While that might be possible on occasion, I wouldn't rely on it to win a regional.