Best Atlanta Alliances

[AdmiralAllen]

What do you guys think will be the best type of Alliance in Atlanta....

2 Hangers 1 lifter
3 Hangers




or what?.......


I think 3 Hangers

[slickguy2007]

2 scorers and one hybrid - the hybrid of course being both a good lifter/scorer

[Lil' Lavery]

1+ ramp/lift capable of 2@12" easily & consistently
2+ bots capable of scoring on all 3 levels
3 bots capable of scoring consistently
1+ bot capable of removing spoilers from all 3 levels
2+ bots with strong drivetrains capable of maintaining position
2+ bots capable of playing defense
1+ bot capable of scoring multiple tubes while being defended
3 bots with great drivers
3 bots that can score in autonomous

My ideal alliance

[Brandon Holley]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

1+ ramp/lift capable of 2@12" easily & consistently
2+ bots capable of scoring on all 3 levels
3 bots capable of scoring consistently
1+ bot capable of removing spoilers from all 3 levels
2+ bots with strong drivetrains capable of maintaining position
2+ bots capable of playing defense
1+ bot capable of scoring multiple tubes while being defended
3 bots with great drivers

My ideal alliance

13 robots ?!?!?!

[Beth Sweet]

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley

13 robots ?!?!?!

Sean gets to play his own game. We'll be having some interesting games on Galileo...

[~Sarah~]

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley

13 robots ?!?!?!

Well... if you think about it, with 13 robots on the field, of course you're gonna win.
Heck... I want 13 robots on my alliance too.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley

13 robots ?!?!?!

I actually added autonomous, making it 16.

In reality, each bot would have multiple roles within the alliance, there are just 16 roles that need to be filled to have an "ideal alliance". The winning alliance won't quite have all of these, but they will likely fill the majority. And you may notice some of them are related to playing defense and/or maintaining position.

[Madison]

2 tube machines that play well off of one another and a machine that's devoted exclusively to defense and lifting are the way to go.

You'd have to be enormously cocky to play an offense-only game this time around.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by M. Krass

2 tube machines that play well off of one another and a machine that's devoted exclusively to defense and lifting are the way to go.

You'd have to be enormously cocky to play an offense-only game this time around.

This is my belief as well.

[Faith]

I don't know, an entirely offensive alliance does have its perks.
-More likely they will all be amazing scorers rather than good ones
-Durign endgame, the other alliance has to make a difficult choice: go for 60 and leave 3 robots by themselves to put up tubes, leave 1 defensive bot out to stop some tube scoring and get 30 points, or forsake the extra points and try preventing them from putting any tubes up.

Since just putting one tube on a row could add 64 points, the ramp is not always worth it. And with 3 amazing robots free to score, the possibilities are endless.

[Madison]

Originally Posted by Plooshiska

I don't know, an entirely offensive alliance does have its perks.
-More likely they will all be amazing scorers rather than good ones
-Durign endgame, the other alliance has to make a difficult choice: go for 60 and leave 3 robots by themselves to put up tubes, leave 1 defensive bot out to stop some tube scoring and get 30 points, or forsake the extra points and try preventing them from putting any tubes up.

Since just putting one tube on a row could add 64 points, the ramp is not always worth it. And with 3 amazing robots free to score, the possibilities are endless.

I think you're optimistic if you believe that nearly 1/3 of the robots in any division are going to qualify as 'amazing' anything. By the time the draft rolls back on down to the first seed, there will not be much left to pick from, I think. That places the number eight seed in, arguably, the best position for an offensive alliance selection -- but that alliance will necessarily be made from teams that are inferior to those above them in almost all circumstances.

If teams are in a position to work with a reliable lifting robot, it's in their best interest to limit tube scoring during the match and that's pretty easily accomplished if you think things through.

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by M. Krass

I think you're optimistic if you believe that nearly 1/3 of the robots in any division are going to qualify as 'amazing' anything. By the time the draft rolls back on down to the first seed, there will not be much left to pick from, I think. That places the number eight seed in, arguably, the best position for an offensive alliance selection -- but that alliance will necessarily be made from teams that are inferior to those above them in almost all circumstances.

If teams are in a position to work with a reliable lifting robot, it's in their best interest to limit tube scoring during the match and that's pretty easily accomplished if you think things through.

I don't know.... looking at some divisions (Galileo for one), there are atleast 24 good offensive teams.

[Dan Petrovic]

Originally Posted by Plooshiska

I don't know, an entirely offensive alliance does have its perks.
-More likely they will all be amazing scorers rather than good ones
-Durign endgame, the other alliance has to make a difficult choice: go for 60 and leave 3 robots by themselves to put up tubes, leave 1 defensive bot out to stop some tube scoring and get 30 points, or forsake the extra points and try preventing them from putting any tubes up.

Since just putting one tube on a row could add 64 points, the ramp is not always worth it. And with 3 amazing robots free to score, the possibilities are endless.

The alliance looking to lift two robots can keep the opponents from scoring more than a row of 4 with some defensive tube placement. Two columns of tubes with two columns in between them limits the offensive alliance to rows of 4. The most they can get is 80 points. For that alliance to score 12 tubes would be unbelieveable. Especially if they already exhausted their human players' tubes and have to run across the field to the other homezone where there are a bunch of robots in the way.

[Dreadfrost]

Ok well everyone knows that going offensive is risky (since it easier and faster to stop someone scoring that score yourself) but clearly in atlanta it will be required.
Also a lot of good scoring robots like 1114 in Galileo have only needed to use their arm in the regionals and yet to really test other robot capabilities of climbing their ramp. We went against 1114 in the finals of both Waterloo and GTR and i didnt see them use their ramp once until the final few matches at GTR.
So we could see some changes in the way robots dominate at atlanta compared to regionals.

Dreadfrost

[ScoutingNerd175]

3 Strong drive trains, all other qualities are negotiable.

Ideally that would include 2 strong ring scorers (with the ability to get up a ramp) and one hybrid bot with very good ramps and solid scoring.

In this scenario, the alliance can adapt to play whatever strategy is necessary (Defense, offense only, offense and ramp, defense and ramp). But, I've seen plenty of great scorers stopped by teams with better drive trains.