Co-Operating for maximum hurdels

[Leav]

Read this thread:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=61039
and this thread:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=60701

Since paddling the ball between two robots on the same lane would be illegal, and the TRACKBALL must touch the floor or another robot before it can touch the original scoring robot i was thinking of a situation as describe in the attachment.

1)Two robots from the same alliance work together, each in a separate lane.
2)BlueBot-A, in the blue homestretch lifts a blue trackball and places it on the overpass.
3)BlueBot-B, in the red homestretch, reaches over the LANE DIVIDER and grabs the trackball and places it on the red OVERPASS
4)The trackball has now hurdled (as far as I can tell)
5) BlueBot-A, reaches over the LANE DIVIDER and grabs the trackball and places it on the blue OVERPASS
6)the trackball has now passed the opposing teams finish line and can be scored with again.
7)GoTo: step 3 (i.e. Repeat from step 3)

Does this work?

-Leav

[Griffin]

You can only extend a maximum of 80" horizontally, so you can only reach so far. I am unsure if this rule stops this tactic or not, but great idea

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by Leav

5) BlueBot-A, reaches over the LANE DIVIDER and grabs the trackball and places it on the blue OVERPASS
6)the trackball has now passed the opposing teams finish line and can be scored with again.

Originally Posted by game rules definition

CROSSING: The act of a TRCKBALL or ROBOT passing through the plane defined by a line (i.e. LANE MARKER or FINISH LINE) when it is projected vertically upwards. A TRACKBALL or ROBOT shall have CROSSED a line when all parts of the object, while traveling in a counterclockwise direction, have completely passed through the plane.

Bold emphisis mine.

Since you are picking the trackball off of the tracks, it never crosses the RED finish line.

[Leav]

Since you are picking the trackball off of the tracks, it never crosses the RED finish line.

Actually I now think this tactic is illegal, but not because of what you said.
the ball does cross the red finish line (see the attachment and description).

The problem is that you would get a penalty each time because the robots are extending their arms in the clockwise direction, and crossing lines in that way too.
This is prohibited and penalized.

If you could build a robot that could extend it's arm over one overpass, over the lane divider, and then place the ball on the other overpass, all inside the aforementioned 80" limit... (<R16>)
and you had two robots like that in one alliance...

then you could try this strategy out....

-Leav

[feliks_rosenber]

I thought about something quite similar yet different.
What if one robot from red alliance, for instance, hurdles the ball over the overpass, second robot bumps the ball back to the first robot while the ball crosses under the overpass, now the first robot hurdles it again.
Now you repeat this as many times as possible.

First, is it legal ? I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be permitted but I'm not sure about it, and the rules don't help much..

[Jake177]

<G13> A TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE must CROSS the opponent’s FINISH LINE before it can score by CROSSING its own FINISH LINE again.

If I understand what you're describing, the ball would not cross the blue finish line between hurdles.

[feliks_rosenber]

<G13> A TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE must CROSS the opponent’s FINISH LINE before it can score by CROSSING its own FINISH LINE again.

The rule is about CROSSING whereas I meant Hurdling.

[Dominicano0519]

no you could make it cross by just making the arm go forward then back

but the only problem would be that the ball would have to touch the ground or an opposing robot before can be scored

the opponents overpass isnt the ground

unless you somehow make it reach over the over pass and drop down touch the ground and come back up again ( i would love to see someone pull that off )

[feliks_rosenber]

With the right angle the ball can bounce back to you letting you hurdle it again but I'm in doubt as to whether teams will carry that tactics out.

Still I can't get it, can you bump the ball back or not ?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by feliks_rosenber

Still I can't get it, can you bump the ball back or not ?

No. It must cross the opponent's finish line first. You say that only applies to crossing. Go back and re-read the definition of hurdling and the score description for hurdling. Crossing is involved, is it not?

[feliks_rosenber]

A TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE must CROSS the opponent's FINISH LINE before it can score by CROSSING its own FINISH LINE again

CROSSING: The act of a TRACKBALL or ROBOT passing through the plane defined by a line (i.e. LANE MARKER or FINISH LINE) ...

Let's wait for the updates. Until then everyone can have its own interpretation.

[Tottanka]

The Q&A is up. Could anyone please ask the question?

[Tottanka]

Originally Posted by feliks_rosenber

I thought about something quite similar yet different.
What if one robot from red alliance, for instance, hurdles the ball over the overpass, second robot bumps the ball back to the first robot while the ball crosses under the overpass, now the first robot hurdles it again.
Now you repeat this as many times as possible.

First, is it legal ? I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be permitted but I'm not sure about it, and the rules don't help much..

I think that you will recieve the 6 points for the HURDLE but not the 2 points for the CROSSING.
Anyway, this is a question that MUST be directed to the First Q&A system as soon as it's up.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Tottanka

I think that you will recieve the 6 points for the HURDLE but not the 2 points for the CROSSING.
Anyway, this is a question that MUST be directed to the First Q&A system as soon as it's up.

The 6 points is a bonus for crossing while over the overpass. I don't think they'll just let you have six, I think they'll give you zero. Though I do agree about asking Q&A.