Go to Post That'll teach me to send anyone for a tool. - Rich Kressly [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Other > Math and Science > NASA Discussion
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 27-08-2008, 10:30
JohnBoucher JohnBoucher is offline
Blue Shirt
FRC #0237
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Watertown, CT
Posts: 2,927
JohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond repute
Mars rover works its way out of crater

From MSNBC
It's easy to forget that these machines are performing as well as they are. Congrats NASA!!
Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-08-2008, 20:50
GaryVoshol's Avatar
GaryVoshol GaryVoshol is offline
Cogito ergo arbitro
no team
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Royal Oak, MI
Posts: 5,743
GaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Mars rover works its way out of crater

Not bad for a 90-day project. It hardly seems possible that these are the same robots that started their treks back during the FLL Mission Mars game - the first year the Championship was held in Atlanta.

Good going.
__________________
(since 2004)
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-08-2008, 21:21
dlavery's Avatar
dlavery dlavery is offline
Curmudgeon
FRC #0116 (Epsilon Delta)
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Herndon, VA
Posts: 3,176
dlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Mars rover works its way out of crater

Actually, MSNBC jumped the gun a little bit (no surprise there). Opportunity is still within the boundaries of Victoria Crater for at least one more sol (Mars day). She is currently poised just inside the regolith ripple that defines the border of the crater. Tomorrow, if everything goes as planned, the command to drive forward across the ripple and out of the crater will be sent to the rover. She will basically follow the same path out of the crater that was used to enter. This will allow the science team to look back at the tracks left by Opportunity as she entered the crater a year ago, and examine them for changes, alterations, and environmental effects. After that, she will drive back out on the flats of Meridiani Planum, and begin the "cobble campaign" of investigations (probably starting Monday, if all goes according to plan).

-dave




.
__________________
"I know what you're thinking, punk," hissed Wordy Harry to his new editor, "you're thinking, 'Did he use six superfluous adjectives or only five?' - and to tell the truth, I forgot myself in all this excitement; but being as this is English, the most powerful language in the world, whose subtle nuances will blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' - well do you, punk?"
- Stuart Vasepuru, 2006 Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest



My OTHER CAR is still on Mars!!!
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 29-08-2008, 05:47
ATannahill ATannahill is offline
Registered User
AKA: Alex Tannahill
no team
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Southfield, Michigan
Posts: 3,258
ATannahill has a reputation beyond reputeATannahill has a reputation beyond reputeATannahill has a reputation beyond reputeATannahill has a reputation beyond reputeATannahill has a reputation beyond reputeATannahill has a reputation beyond reputeATannahill has a reputation beyond reputeATannahill has a reputation beyond reputeATannahill has a reputation beyond reputeATannahill has a reputation beyond reputeATannahill has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Mars rover works its way out of crater

Quote:
Originally Posted by dlavery View Post
...if everything goes as planned,... if all goes according to plan.

-dave




.
hmm is that a hint?
Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 29-08-2008, 07:45
Unsung FIRST Hero
Al Skierkiewicz Al Skierkiewicz is offline
Broadcast Eng/Chief Robot Inspector
AKA: Big Al WFFA 2005
FRC #0111 (WildStang)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Wheeling, IL
Posts: 10,770
Al Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Mars rover works its way out of crater

Dave,
Considerable discussion over coffee has taken place about the lubricants used in the rovers due to the temperature extremes. Would you have anything to add?
__________________
Good Luck All. Learn something new, everyday!
Al
WB9UVJ
www.wildstang.org
________________________
Storming the Tower since 1996.
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 29-08-2008, 08:43
Andy Baker's Avatar Woodie Flowers Award
Andy Baker Andy Baker is offline
President, AndyMark, Inc.
FRC #3940 (CyberTooth)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: May 2001
Rookie Year: 1998
Location: Kokomo, Indiana
Posts: 3,412
Andy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Andy Baker
Re: Mars rover works its way out of crater

Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz View Post
Dave,
Considerable discussion over coffee has taken place about the lubricants used in the rovers due to the temperature extremes. Would you have anything to add?
My guess is that they use materials with impregnated lubricants, or materials which naturally have high lubricity. Most likely, they stay away from grease or oil lubricants, as these can easily attract debris while also not be reliable after being in the vacuum of space for a while.

But that is just a guess. I would be very interested in hearing what is actually used.

Andy B.
Reply With Quote
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 29-08-2008, 08:53
Elgin Clock's Avatar
Elgin Clock Elgin Clock is offline
updates this status less than FB!
AKA: the one who "will break into your thoughts..."
FRC #0237 (Black Magic)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: May 2001
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: H20-Town, Connecticut
Posts: 7,773
Elgin Clock has a reputation beyond reputeElgin Clock has a reputation beyond reputeElgin Clock has a reputation beyond reputeElgin Clock has a reputation beyond reputeElgin Clock has a reputation beyond reputeElgin Clock has a reputation beyond reputeElgin Clock has a reputation beyond reputeElgin Clock has a reputation beyond reputeElgin Clock has a reputation beyond reputeElgin Clock has a reputation beyond reputeElgin Clock has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Elgin Clock
Re: Mars rover works its way out of crater

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Baker View Post
My guess is that they use materials with impregnated lubricants, or materials which naturally have high lubricity. Most likely, they stay away from grease or oil lubricants, as these can easily attract debris while also not be reliable after being in the vacuum of space for a while.
But that is just a guess. I would be very interested in hearing what is actually used.

Andy B.
What about Graphite powder? That's a non-liquid lubricant, & very effective for unsticking things with repeated use, like car door locks for example... on Earth at least. lol
__________________
The influence of many leads to the individuality of one. - E.C.C. (That's me!!)

Reply With Quote
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 29-08-2008, 16:10
Unsung FIRST Hero
Al Skierkiewicz Al Skierkiewicz is offline
Broadcast Eng/Chief Robot Inspector
AKA: Big Al WFFA 2005
FRC #0111 (WildStang)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Wheeling, IL
Posts: 10,770
Al Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Mars rover works its way out of crater

Interesing ideas, but I am guessing that sample contamination plays into the spec as well.
__________________
Good Luck All. Learn something new, everyday!
Al
WB9UVJ
www.wildstang.org
________________________
Storming the Tower since 1996.
Reply With Quote
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 29-08-2008, 17:28
David Brinza's Avatar
David Brinza David Brinza is offline
Lead Mentor, Lead Robot Inspector
FRC #0980 (ThunderBots)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Glendale, CA
Posts: 1,378
David Brinza has a reputation beyond reputeDavid Brinza has a reputation beyond reputeDavid Brinza has a reputation beyond reputeDavid Brinza has a reputation beyond reputeDavid Brinza has a reputation beyond reputeDavid Brinza has a reputation beyond reputeDavid Brinza has a reputation beyond reputeDavid Brinza has a reputation beyond reputeDavid Brinza has a reputation beyond reputeDavid Brinza has a reputation beyond reputeDavid Brinza has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Mars rover works its way out of crater

Graphite isn't a good lubricant in vacuum. Absorbed water vapor and gas between the planes of carbon atoms in graphite makes it "slippery". Molybdenum disulphide (Moly-lube) is a much better dry lubricant in vacuum.

There are special greases that won't outgas or creep out of the mechanism. Finding non-contaminating lubricants that will work well at -100 degC (or colder) was a problem.

The specific lubricants that are used in the rovers probably cannot be disclosed publicly, due to export control (ITAR)* restrictions.

* Even though the rovers are not military in nature, the US State Dept considers space systems technical data to be sensitive information that cannot be disclosed to non-US persons without specific permission. (This is probably a topic for an entirely different thread).
__________________
"There's never enough time to do it right, but always time to do it over."
2003 AZ: Semifinals, Motorola Quality; SoCal: Q-finals, Xerox Creativity; IRI: Q-finals
2004 AZ: Semifinals, GM Industrial Design; SoCal: Winners, Leadership in Controls; Championship: Galileo #2 seed, Q-finals; IRI: Champions
2005 AZ: #1 Seed, Xerox Creativity; SoCal: Finalist, RadioShack Controls; SVR: Winners, Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technologies"; Championship: Archimedes Semifinals; IRI: Finalist
2007 LA: Finalist; San Diego: Q-finals; CalGames: Finalist || 2008 San Diego: Q-finals; LA: Winners; CalGames: Finalist || 2009 LA: Semifinals; Las Vegas: Q-finals; IRI: #1 Seed, Finalist
2010 AZ: Motorola Quality; LA: Finalist || 2011 SD: Q-finals; LA: Q-finals || 2013 LA: Xerox Creativity, WFFA, Dean's List Finalist || 2014 IE: Q-finals, LA: Finalist, Dean's List Finalist
2016 Ventura: Q-finals, WFFA, Engineering Inspiration
Reply With Quote
  #10   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 29-08-2008, 07:49
Carol's Avatar
Carol Carol is offline
Registered User
FRC #0365 (MOE)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Wilmington, DE
Posts: 818
Carol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Mars rover works its way out of crater

Quote:
Originally Posted by dlavery View Post
Actually, MSNBC jumped the gun a little bit (no surprise there). Opportunity is still within the boundaries of Victoria Crater for at least one more sol (Mars day). She is currently poised just inside the regolith ripple that defines the border of the crater.

Are all of the Mars rovers female?
Reply With Quote
  #11   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 30-08-2008, 11:35
wilsonmw04's Avatar
wilsonmw04 wilsonmw04 is offline
Coach
FRC #1086 (Blue Cheese)
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Midlothian, VA
Posts: 1,885
wilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Mars rover works its way out of crater

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carol View Post
Are all of the Mars rovers female?
Anything with wheels, wings, rudders, or thrusters are female. There are several reasons why that this. It's a tradition from the wet navy to name vessels after women. Someone once told me that robots are female because they tend to be ... temperamental. Being a nine year vet of wedding bliss i know that can't be true ;-)
__________________
Currently: Coach FRC 1086/FTC 93
2006-2011 Coach FRC 2106/FTC 35
If you come to a FRC event to see a robot competition, you are missing the point.
Reply With Quote
  #12   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 30-08-2008, 20:15
GaryVoshol's Avatar
GaryVoshol GaryVoshol is offline
Cogito ergo arbitro
no team
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Royal Oak, MI
Posts: 5,743
GaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond reputeGaryVoshol has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Mars rover works its way out of crater

"A ship is called a "she" because there is always a great deal of bustle around her; there is usually a gang of men about, she has a waist and stays; it takes a lot of paint to keep her good looking; it is not the initial expense that breaks you, it is the upkeep; she can be all decked out; it takes an experienced man to handle her correctly; and without a man at the helm, she is absolutely uncontrollable. She shows her topsides, hides her bottom and when coming into port, always heads for the buoys."

__________________
(since 2004)
Reply With Quote
  #13   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 30-08-2008, 22:29
JaneYoung JaneYoung is offline
Onward through the fog.
no team
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Austin, TX USA
Posts: 5,996
JaneYoung has a reputation beyond reputeJaneYoung has a reputation beyond reputeJaneYoung has a reputation beyond reputeJaneYoung has a reputation beyond reputeJaneYoung has a reputation beyond reputeJaneYoung has a reputation beyond reputeJaneYoung has a reputation beyond reputeJaneYoung has a reputation beyond reputeJaneYoung has a reputation beyond reputeJaneYoung has a reputation beyond reputeJaneYoung has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Mars rover works its way out of crater

Quote:
Originally Posted by GaryVoshol View Post
"A ship is called a "she" because there is always a great deal of bustle around her; there is usually a gang of men about, she has a waist and stays; it takes a lot of paint to keep her good looking; it is not the initial expense that breaks you, it is the upkeep; she can be all decked out; it takes an experienced man to handle her correctly; and without a man at the helm, she is absolutely uncontrollable. She shows her topsides, hides her bottom and when coming into port, always heads for the buoys."

I'm so glad to learn all of this. Esp. the part about:
Quote:
...and without a man at the helm, she is absolutely uncontrollable.
__________________
Excellence is contagious. ~ Andy Baker, President, AndyMark, Inc. and Woodie Flowers Award 2003

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, ambition inspired, and success achieved.
~ Helen Keller
(1880-1968)
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New views of Victoria Crater and the Mars rovers dlavery NASA Discussion 12 11-10-2006 17:03
Mars Rover Update JohnBoucher NASA Discussion 10 30-09-2006 20:48
Heineken Mars Rover Ad Rohith Surampudi Chit-Chat 6 23-06-2006 14:37
Mars Rover on Yahoo Beth Sweet FIRST In the News... 12 05-01-2006 17:08
Mars Rover Wallpaper.... Clark Gilbert NASA Discussion 8 12-01-2004 02:04


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:22.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi