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FRC Game in 2009

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what the FRC game will be this year? I say it will be a variation of baseball, with a swinging bat type mechanism.
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Re: FRC Game in 2009

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=69502
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http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=69233

Contain some really funny ideas. I'd suggest posting in there instead of starting a new thread.
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Re: FRC Game in 2009

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Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what the FRC game will be this year? I say it will be a variation of baseball, with a swinging bat type mechanism.
Yes, we all do.

Oh, and a water game.
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Re: FRC Game in 2009

well we are supposed to have cameras so we started brain storming like this corn maze that we can't see but the crowd can see and we have to drive around using a camera on the robot. (just a thought probally not gunna happen ((THIS year at least lol)))
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Re: FRC Game in 2009

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well we are supposed to have cameras so we started brain storming like this corn maze that we can't see but the crowd can see and we have to drive around using a camera on the robot. (just a thought probally not gunna happen ((THIS year at least lol)))
The problem with this idea is that FIRST didn't give us any type of a monitor to view what the camera is seeing, and I doubt that they expect each team to buy their own.
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The problem with this idea is that FIRST didn't give us any type of a monitor to view what the camera is seeing, and I doubt that they expect each team to buy their own.
Really? You've seen the 2009 kit and know that there is no monitor in there?
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Re: FRC Game in 2009

I am new to first, however I have been using LabView for a while at my job and I have a few things to say about it.

1) It is an extremely powerful development environment. Programming in LV may take a while to learn, however once you understand the programming structure, it is much faster to do complex tasks then a similar C or C++ application is.
2) The FRC version of LabView is not, from what I can see, limited, and includes several expensive toolkits including NI Vision.

You are basically limited by hardware constraints and your imagination only. For my work (electrical engineering, RF) I have used labview quite extensively. It would be relatively simple to create a program that searched for objects of various shapes, sizes or colors. It would not be much harder to drive up to them and get a closer picture. Perhaps read a sign and follow its instructions (OCR vi's come in NI Vision that make character recognition straight-forward) or do some complex pattern recognition to sort objects into categories from the field.

Some limitation will be camera focus - I'm not sure if the camera for 2009 supports controlling focus via software - which would be necessary for reading close up text, barcodes, etc.

I know that building a FRC "robot" is challenge enough when it is remotely operated - but I think LabView will make autonomous actions much more feasible and maybe someday FRC will become an all autonomous competition.

For those of you who don't know it: The robot can be programmed remotely via the driver station and a laptop. This also means you can build a frontend on the laptop, e.g. any kind of control station you want on the laptop to give visual feedback or run pre-programmed drive loops or whatever the rules allow. Out of the box you can start a new LV benchtop vi that lets you see what the camera sees and all the analog, digital, pwm, and battery states directly on a laptop.

And perhaps next year when they enable the advanced functionality of the motor controllers-you will be able create feedback loops-and combine this with internal and external sensors (think gyroscopic sensor + accelerometer) and you can have much greater motor control, similar to what is used by Honda and others to build walking, upright android robots.

This kit your receiving is very much a professional, industry standard setup, if you go into electrical engineering / control systems engineering, you can expect to see much of the same software and equipment at your job.
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Really? You've seen the 2009 kit and know that there is no monitor in there?
you have a point.........
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Re: FRC Game in 2009

Considering the control system is new, I agree that FIRST wont do something radical with the game design this year. I'm getting a feeling that 2010 gonna be a radical design shift. My predicion is it's probaly be some game involving throwing some sort of object.(I know, I'm not being specific here but that's all I have at the monment.)
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Re: FRC Game in 2009

The first hint was posted for what 2009's competition might be:
http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc....aspx?id=11310
its a fish.
could this be hinting a a water robot? a submarine?
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No you just flop around on the course like a fish out of watter
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Re: FRC Game in 2009

Notice that the picture is of a fish out of water. Not in the water. What does this mean? Maybe it is just my imagination. Any thoughts?
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Re: FRC Game in 2009

If you look closely at the background, there's a watermarked shape and some text... its hard to read, i think there are a couple of pages stacked on top of each other... the newspaper that fish is wrapped in maybe?

I think the game will work like a fish market, you have to throw slippery fish into buckets...
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If you look closely at the background, there's a watermarked shape and some text... its hard to read, i think there are a couple of pages stacked on top of each other... the newspaper that fish is wrapped in maybe?

I think the game will work like a fish market, you have to throw slippery fish into buckets...
Noticed on the first page of the game hint thread...

I would suggest that any discussion of the game hint be kept in that thread.
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Notice that the picture is of a fish out of water. Not in the water. What does this mean? Maybe it is just my imagination. Any thoughts?
Yeah, good call. Maybe people will stop thinking water game. FIRST robots and water... that doesn't sound like the safest idea. But i think it would suggest an unnatural environment for a robot, driver, human player, etc. Can someone say OBSTACLE COURSE!! That would be awesome.
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