Super Cell Scoring Question posted 2X by me on Q&A but no reply??

[BaldGuy]

I posted this question once already and did not get a reply.

Section 7 The Game

<G20> Handling MOON ROCKS – MOON ROCKS can be SCORED by ROBOTS or PAYLOAD SPECIALISTS. PAYLOAD SPECIALIST can enter MOON ROCKS into play by launching them over the Alliance Station Wall or over/through the OUTPOST shield. MOON ROCKS can not enter the CRATER by being thrown around the end of the Alliance Station Wall. A violation will cause a PENALTY to be assigned.

<G23> SUPER CELL scoring – During the last 20 seconds of the MATCH, the PAYLOAD SPECIALIST may launch the available SUPER CELLS over the Alliance Station Wall and into the CRATER. The PAYLOAD SPECIALIST can SCORE a SUPER CELL by launching it into a TRAILER. If a SUPER CELL is launched into the CRATER before the last 20 seconds of the MATCH, then two (2) PENALTIES will be assigned.

The question: There is no mention that a Robot can score a Super Cell anywhere in this section-

<G20> says Moon rocks can be scored by Robots or Payload Specialists.
<G23> says a Payload Specialist can score a Super Cell.

Where does it say a Robot can Score a Super Cell??????????

[Cory]

Originally Posted by BaldGuy

I posted this question once already and did not get a reply.

Section 7 The Game

<G20> Handling MOON ROCKS – MOON ROCKS can be SCORED by ROBOTS or PAYLOAD SPECIALISTS. PAYLOAD SPECIALIST can enter MOON ROCKS into play by launching them over the Alliance Station Wall or over/through the OUTPOST shield. MOON ROCKS can not enter the CRATER by being thrown around the end of the Alliance Station Wall. A violation will cause a PENALTY to be assigned.

<G23> SUPER CELL scoring – During the last 20 seconds of the MATCH, the PAYLOAD SPECIALIST may launch the available SUPER CELLS over the Alliance Station Wall and into the CRATER. The PAYLOAD SPECIALIST can SCORE a SUPER CELL by launching it into a TRAILER. If a SUPER CELL is launched into the CRATER before the last 20 seconds of the MATCH, then two (2) PENALTIES will be assigned.

The question: There is no mention that a Robot can score a Super Cell anywhere in this section-

<G20> says Moon rocks can be scored by Robots or Payload Specialists.
<G23> says a Payload Specialist can score a Super Cell.

Where does it say a Robot can Score a Super Cell??????????

It doesn't, but it doesn't say they can't, either.

[BaldGuy]

The rules don't say you can't tip your trailer over intentiionally at the start of the game to keep anyone from scoring and take the early penalty, but I'm sure that's not in the spirit of the rules.

So my question is what was the intent behind <G23> TITLED "Super Cell Scoring", and why cover only one way to score the Super Cell, if the intent is to allow either method, and then why title <G20> "Moon Rock Handling" yet tell you both methods to score the Moon Rock.

It seems some clarification is in order.

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by BaldGuy

The rules don't say you can't tip your trailer over intentiionally at the start of the game to keep anyone from scoring and take the early penalty, but I'm sure that's not in the spirit of the rules.

<G32> allows for a team to be disqualified for intentionally tipping a trailer. No interpretation of spirit is necessary.

[BaldGuy]

Ok Bad example, but I hope you get my question- I still think it is a valid question.

[BaldGuy]

It is clearly stated that the game animation video and anything said or done in the animation should not be interpretted as a rule.

[GaryVoshol]

Get your lead mentor to ask the official Q&A on FIRST forums. The team id and password are in TIMS.

[DM7000]

It would seem to me that it should be possible. My thoughts is that the super cells will end up on the floor for robots to pick up as humans aren't very likely to make the shot every time. My thoughts would be that a robot is able to pick that up and score it. But like Gary said this would be a good question to ask in the Q&A

[lingomaniac88]

The narration for the game animation says:
"During the last 20 seconds of the match, humans or robots can score bonus points by getting super cells into opposing trailers."
The game animation says yes, but I think the GDC should confirm this officially.

[RobotDevil1985]

Originally Posted by lingomaniac88

The narration for the game animation says:
"During the last 20 seconds of the match, humans or robots can score bonus points by getting super cells into opposing trailers."
The game animation says yes, but I think the GDC should confirm this officially.

Don't rely on the game animation to be your rule explinations, every year we have to explain to our rookie members that most of the robots in the animation break some rule. That animation should only be used to explain the object of the game to a non-competitor.

[EricH]

It has been officially announced (Update #3). Go ahead and use your robot to score them.

[dlavery]

Originally Posted by RobotDevil1985

Don't rely on the game animation to be your rule explinations, every year we have to explain to our rookie members that most of the robots in the animation break some rule. That animation should only be used to explain the object of the game to a non-competitor.

Every year I am amused by the notion that there are many comments about the various cartoon robots in the kick-off animation that violate rule X, Y or Z in the course of demonstrating the concept of how the game is played. But no one ever seems to have a problem with the fact that most of the robots defy several laws of physics during the course of the same animation.

-dave

p.s. just for the record, every year the animation is correct and compliant with all the rules at the time it is rendered. However, the final versions of the rules and the animation are done in parallel. More than once, a rule has been tweaked at the last minute that causes something in the animation to become illegal. But there is no time to correct the animation before the kick-off, so it just goes "as is." And if you are wondering just how close we cut things when finishing the rules and the animation, this year was a classic example. I flew to Manchester to go to kick off and deliver the animation at 7:30am on Jan 1. The animation had not been completed and the final edits done until 3:40 that morning.

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[Rick Wagner]

Originally Posted by dlavery

... no one ever seems to have a problem with the fact that most of the robots defy several laws of physics during the course of the same animation.

Everyone knows that cartoon robots are allowed to violate laws of physics!

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Rick Wagner

Everyone knows that cartoon robots are allowed to violate laws of physics!

Hey Dave (and Rick), have you ever heard of Wiley's Law?

[PhilBot]

Originally Posted by BaldGuy

The rules don't say you can't tip your trailer over intentiionally at the start of the game to keep anyone from scoring and take the early penalty, but I'm sure that's not in the spirit of the rules.

So my question is what was the intent behind <G23> TITLED "Super Cell Scoring", and why cover only one way to score the Super Cell, if the intent is to allow either method, and then why title <G20> "Moon Rock Handling" yet tell you both methods to score the Moon Rock.

It seems some clarification is in order.

The manual also does not specifically indicate who can score an empty-cell.
I assume both robot and human can. How about you?