FRC Top 25- Post-Build Ranking

[joshsmithers]

First, I honestly do not know where this thread should go. The previous ranking was moved to the "Games/Trivia" forum, but I don't believe it belongs there. The "Games/Trivia" forum is a sub-forum of the "Chit-Chat" forum, where "off-topic discussion" occurs. This certainly is not off-topic, yet it belongs to none of the other forums.

Each week, there are top 25 rankings for sports. In the AP Poll, highly qualified sports addicts and writers vote on who they think the top 25 teams are for each sport. This poll is similar, where FIRST addicts vote on who they think the top 25 teams are for the FRC. Voters picked teams based on success shown at competitions in the past, consistency of the team, and robot design and function. This week, seven of the voters submitted complete lists, and the results are based solely on those lists. Some voters have revealed themselves in the thread for the previous ranking. The next ranking will follow the Week 1 Regionals.

1. 1114
2. 254
3. 968
4. 148
5. 217
6. 71
7. 111
8. 233
9. 330
10. 67
11. 1024
12. 25
13. 987
14. 16
15. 2056
16. 365
17. 1126
18. 118
19. 33
20. 103
21. 27
22. 39
23. 121
24. 180
25. 469

[Tom Bottiglieri]

I'm not sure how you can rank without seeing some of these robots, never mind how the game will play out..

I for one think scoring moon rocks will be disadvantageous, and 1114 will be nothing more than a glorified paper weight this season.

[Danny McC]

I am really glad you can rank teams based solely on videos they have put up. Most of which scored on non-moving trailers.

[MikeMascaro]

Take it easy guys, lets not forget this teams have a tradition of being very, very good.
It's just a pre-competition ranking. If you disagree then you can prove them wrong later in the year.

[Jimmy Cao]

No offense, but I don't see any way to "objectively" define this. I mean, you can think that this or that robot is the best, but how can you know? I'm sure you haven't seen some of these robots yet (my team is one of them). We don't compete until week 3 either, and I'm sure some other teams on your list fall into a similar situation.

Nevertheless, this is interesting speculation. I feel honored to be on this list ^.^

[big1boom]

Hmm... no 2022... Probably because we didn't put a video of our robot running. Oh how I wish I had recorded some of it... To late now, see you at Chicago.

[Kyle]

Lets just take this at face value, its a poll that only 7 people filled out.. a guess and nothing more. Don't get all riled up over nothing, but use this as a motivation to show the list wrong.

[Greg Needel]

This list makes no sense to me. Over half the robots on this list have yet to be seen.

I also doubt your testing methodology as 7 people is not large enough for a statistical distribution of opinions, considering that those 7 people probably all know each other and share the opinions.

I would argue that this game is SO different then past years that ranking based on reputation alone is not a valid ranking criteria.

[joshsmithers]

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

I'm not sure how you can rank...

If you had read the post, it is not myself that is ranking these teams, but seven other people. I will never partake in the voting.

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

...without seeing some of these robots, never mind how the game will play out..

And yet, somehow seven people out of the eleven prompted found the means to submit to me a logical list of who they thought were the top 25 teams in FRC.

Originally Posted by Danny McC

I am really glad you can rank...

Again, I did not rank any teams. Other people did.

Originally Posted by Greg Needel

I also doubt your testing methodology as 7 people is not large enough for a statistical distribution of opinions, considering that those 7 people probably all know each other and share the opinions.

Hey, it's better than the six that voted last time.

[gorrilla]

good list....although I cant see why "you"(whoever voted) would include a teams reputation in the criteria......i would argue that new teams would stand a better chance of adapting to this game?

[s_forbes]

Originally Posted by gorrilla

.....i would argue that new teams would stand a better chance of adapting to this game?

I've seen this argument several times so far this year, and it bugs me every time I read it. The teams that consistently do better do so because they are able to figure out how games will play out and dedicate a lot of time to building their robots/practicing. They are not just experienced at driving on carpet, they are experienced at coming up with clever solutions.

[Sunbun]

Disagreements, disappointments, and misinterpretations aside, will Looking Forward be making a reappearance this year?

[vivek16]

Originally Posted by Sunbun

Disagreements, disappointments, and misinterpretations aside, will Looking Forward be making a reappearance this year?

If he does, I'm certainly looking forward to it.

I also agree that an accurate ranking can't really be done already. Although the teams on that list are all great in their own right, we just don't know yet.

-Vivek

[Herodotus]

So far I've seen alot of good designs cropping up here on CD, and you can't forget the hundreds of other teams that havn't shared anything yet. I think this will be a year of surprises and black horses, and I wouldn't see the legitimacy of any ranking of the robots until the end of the season.

[EricH]

Folks, if you don't like that only 7 people submit lists, PM Josh and ask to be included. This includes you, Tom, unless you were indeed tongue-in-cheek (and didn't submit one).

gorrilla, the rookies don't know (or didn't) the system. Vets did. There are exceptions (notably 2775--Greg, I hope you submit a full list next round--and 2753), but the vets have: past experience, a look at the control system long before any rookies (talks started last year), and the knowledge of a successful building method. Rookies have to draw on the experience of local veteran teams.

For the record, I had a list ready before it was requested, based on the released videos and the "complaints" last time. No rookies this time, though I was tempted.