need help with rules

[mahmosh]

is it allowed to move the shooter during the game out of the maximum limits--> width one <-- (pay attention not in the default case )

[Alan Anderson]

I'm not sure exactly what your question is, but <R11> gives a very clear answer. At no time during a match may the robot (excluding the bumpers and trailer hitch) exceed the 28"x38"x60" dimensions.

[Vikesrock]

No, no part of your robot may extend outside your bumper perimeter at any time during a match. See Rule <R16>.

[jamie_1930]

<R11> At the start of, and during, the MATCH the ROBOT shall fit within the orthogonal dimensions
listed below:

----------------------------------------------------
|Dimension 1 | Dimension 2 | Dimension 3 | Maximum |
|(Horizontal) | (Horizontal) | (Vertical) | Weight|
----------------------------------------------------
|28 Inches | 38 Inches | 60 Inches | 120 Pounds|
|(71.12 cm) | (96.52 cm) | (152.40 cm) | (54.43 Kg) |
----------------------------------------------------

A. Exception: solely for the purposes of determining compliance with the weight and
volume limitations, these items are NOT considered part of the ROBOT and are NOT
included in the weight and volume assessment:
• The 12V battery and its associated half of the Anderson cable quick
connect/disconnect pair (including no more than 12 inches of cable per leg, the
associated cable lugs, connecting bolts, and insulating electrical tape),
• BUMPER assemblies that are in compliance with Rule <R08>,
• The TRAILER,
• The Trailer Hitch (as defined in Rule <R18>),
• The OPERATOR CONSOLE.

This is what I believe the robot must comply with. During Finger Lakes Regional I was told during practice matches that if I didn't tuck the battery cable back in so that it doesn't go past the start of the bumper that I would be disqualified, given a yellow card that would turn into a red card before the first 30 seconds was up. So I would keep all dimension within the original constraints also to be 100% sure I think you should review Section 8.3.2 regarding general robot design, to make sure your robot fits all criteria

[Bob Steele]

This brings up an interesting issue. I hesitate to even bring it up...but here goes. After nearly EVERY match...there are bits and pieces of robots that are left on the field.

If a referee sees something come off a robot (unintentionally) during the course of play...wouldn't it be incumbent on him/her to give a penalty for the robot being outside of its orthogonal dimensions?

I won't be asking Q and A about this... it just occurred to me that ... if referees are giving penalties when a battery shifts and the cable sticks out... then why not when a part comes off?

just asking ....
I guess if you lost a screw you could just have the robot squat over it like an egg until the end of the match to avoid a penalty....

[Chris is me]

I was under the impression that when the robot parts leave the robot, they are no longer controlled / touching the other robot parts and are thus themselves not robots.

[Bob Steele]

That sounds good to me...

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by Bob Steele

I won't be asking Q and A about this... it just occurred to me that ... if referees are giving penalties when a battery shifts and the cable sticks out... then why not when a part comes off?

The usual interpretation: when a part comes off, it becomes field debris and is no longer part of the ROBOT. If the part is still hanging on, however, it can draw a penalty for causing the robot to extend outside the permitted dimensions.