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More then 7 matches?
Bill Miller had a new blog yesterday. http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2009...ing-ready.html
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I can't imagine 7 matches on Friday actually happening, but that's what Bill said. |
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Re: More then 7 matches?
4 minute matches is...nuts.
In NJ, NYC, and Philly, 7 minute turnaround was scheduled. We managed to get it just under 6 by Saturday in Philly, but WOW. Well, good luck to the queuers, resetters, refs, and the rest of the field crew next weekend! |
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Re: More then 7 matches?
I don't know if it's possible, but the intros for teams usually take about 1:15-1:30 - so theoretically if they cut down on saying the sponsors out load and just introduce the team numbers. They could probably cut it down to 30 seconds. Take that minute off your 6 minute time at Philly and you're down to 5 minutes, go really fast and they may make it to 4:19.
However, whether they will cut down the introductions is another matter. But that's really the only thing that it seems they could cut down. |
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Re: More then 7 matches?
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We'll see if they really mean to try this or if it's just a typo. |
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Re: More then 7 matches?
I'm pretty sure that Bill meant to say that there would be seven qualifying matches for each team on Friday and Saturday.
With 6 minute intervals between 102 matches (which gives each team 7 matches and just three surrogates), we're looking at bit over 10 hours of playing time for the qualification round. The agenda shows almost 10-1/2 hours for FRC qualifying matches on Friday/Saturday combined. Even with this schedule, there's little slack for field issues, referee discussions, etc. I've seen matches turn around in just over five minutes, but that was on Saturday when the teams and field reset crew were very familiar with the drill. I don't see FIRST expecting to fit in an eight-match per team qualifying round (requiring 116 matches to be played). Banking on less than 5-1/2 minute intervals between matches just doesn't seem prudent. |
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Re: More then 7 matches?
Hm, since yesterday afternoon there are 349 teams listed.
I wonder if some team dropped out and wasn't removed from the list. Newton now has 88 and the other fields 87 with the addition of Team 687. Last edited by TKM.368 : 11-04-2009 at 14:58. |
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Re: More then 7 matches?
I'd LOVE to see more than seven matches. I doubt it'll happen but I'm holding onto hope that it does.
I think they might shave some of the turn around time off by letting teams pre-load their robots while waiting in for the next match (I want to say they did this at MSC but I'm not sure). |
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Re: More then 7 matches?
I think Bill may have meant 7 qualification matches TOTAL for Atlanta.
My $.02 |
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Re: More then 7 matches?
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Also, David... seven qualification rounds on Friday would have to mean nine matches total, not eight. Only running one match per team on Saturday (14-15 total matches) would be almost as ridiculous as running seven per team (101-102 total) on Friday. ![]() Last edited by jgannon : 11-04-2009 at 20:40. |
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Re: More then 7 matches?
I agree that it would be very hectic but I would enjoy the extra match time. But for only for and a half minutes of pit time i might just stay on the field if the robot does not need repairs.
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Re: More then 7 matches?
It's always nice to have more matches, but it would just be impractical given the scale of the event. They will have trouble finishing all the current matches on time, there is just no spare time. The referees, volunteers, and announcers will all be hard-pressed as it is to get everything done and keep the match turnaround going.
And with matches closer together there's just going to be no time to get any work done should something go wrong with the robot. Especially given the long walks to queues, everything will be beyond hectic as is (as it generally is at championships). |
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Re: More then 7 matches?
I don't see why it would be so hard to compress the schedule a little and give all the teams that are spending a lot of money more rounds in Atlanta...
Let's see... Have inspections available Wed. night so that teams that can make it in early Wed and uncrate can get their robot inspected. Rely on trust that teams are not working on their robot other than just getting it inspected. I bet they could get half the robots inspected on Wed. (since all the robots have been thru inspections at least once, usually more already). Thursday morning - practice - everyone is scheduled for one double round with a fill in line... Thursday afternoon - 3 rounds per team Friday morning - 3 rounds per team Friday afternoon - 3 rounds per team Saturday morning - 3 rounds per team Pick elims... Sure we might have to come a little earlier, and stay a little later... But this gives everyone 12 rounds... We all are paying a lot of money and time to come to this championship event and I think we all would be willing the extra "sacrifice"... |
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Re: More then 7 matches?
However, some teams may not be ready for inspection that early. Some may have had damage at the end of previous competitions, or may have improvements they want to make. This rushes them more, and makes it harder for good repairs or changes to be made. Rushed repairs are more likely to come undone and cause trouble in later matches. And taking away practice hurts teams that haven't been to as many regionals, by depriving them of extra actual practice driving time.
Of course it would be great to have more qualifying matches, but short of actually starting the competition on Wednesday, there is no simple way to get them. |
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Re: More then 7 matches?
Yeah, I can see that. I mean we are never busy on Thursday and are usually just sitting around with nothing to do
However, IMHO, this is the championship event. All robots need to be ready to go, or need to be able to be ready in that Thursday morning... I saw what a Championship event could be like at the MSC. I am hoping that this is what the World Championship event is like in the future... And to make it event better, give all the qualifying teams more qualifying matches. Just my opinion... |
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Re: More then 7 matches?
I believe we could get 7 matches in on Friday if the Agenda was modified a bit and a 5 minute turn around was achieved (as it was at our LVR)...it would be nice to have at least 8 qualifying matches for a change. Imagine spending $5000 for entry and another $14000 for your teams travel/hotel expenses and only playing 7 matches if unable to play eliminations...an extra match takes a little bit of the sting off
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