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So, what did you think of MARC this year? Any suprises, or just something that needs to be said.
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Re: General Post MARC discussion

Thank you teams 3096, 830, and 1023!! We really gave them a run for their money and you guys were a great alliance!!
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Re: General Post MARC discussion

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Thank you teams 3096, 830, and 1023!! We really gave them a run for their money and you guys were a great alliance!!
Agreed! I was keeping score for you guys the last match as a volunteer, but I am a part of 830 myself. The finals were darn close...
but hey, being a finalist is still cool . Congrats 1528, and.... the other teams I forgot. Oops.
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Re: General Post MARC discussion

Besides the energy sapping heat and humidity in the gym my only complaint would probably be the length. I don't think 13 matches is really needed. I think 10 would do fine to shake out who's who. Problems that I had with the event last year (lack of other quers, the bars in the doorway that impeded robot traffic, feeding the volunteers) we're all handled brilliantly.
Otherwise the event was very very well done and solid.
Thumbs up folks!
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Re: General Post MARC discussion

Definitely can agree that heat was an issue, but I don't know if there is all that much more that can be done. I'm not sure about the length, it felt long but I was at the side of the field the whole day so it would seem longer. I suppose it depends how the teams felt about it.

I would suggest, however, that we cut the mentor rounds down to four teams of three. I think it was a bit much at the end of quals on Friday to sit through that many mentor rounds, and I noticed many people left to go to the pig roast anyways. I think cutting some of the mentor matches would free up a bit more time for socializing.

I think those are the only real negatives I could think of. The teams were fantastic, the volunteers were generally on the ball, and Chris did a great job as head ref, and both of our announcers were great. Grant did a particularly good job keeping the energy going even with delays, and made sure the crowd was never bored.

Thanks so much to Steve and his crew for getting this whole thing running smoothly. So far every year MARC has grown, but managed to still be a smoothly run event, and has been a blast each year. I'm sure it will be even better next year.
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Re: General Post MARC discussion

I just got to chuckle and smile," to many matches". Michigan, in or off season,you better build your bots to last. The only problem i saw was with the four teams to an alliance. It makes it very hard to come up with a name.Freezer burned red tailed martians. It just doesn't flow.
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Re: General Post MARC discussion

The number of rounds were perfect, in my book. Yeah it was rather hot, but definately not as bad as last year. All around a great event, great food, great competition, great... well I would say robots but ours apparently doesn't like fridays all that much, I think we ran 2 matches that is didn't break...and then the mentors drove it and it "magically" worked the rest of the time. But all in all, the organizers definatly need to take a bow for this great off-season competition.
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Re: General Post MARC discussion

I would like to thank everyone that came to this event and made it so much fun for me. I enjoy watching everyone have such a good time and the competitiveness/socialism mixture the goes on between the teams.

I would like to thank;
Lisa Perez: for coordinating the volunteers (excellent work)
Ann Kowalczyk: for helping me run the event
Ronnie Tront/Keith Jones: Excellent work keeping the field up and running
Chris Hunt: Thank you so much for accepting the responsibility of the bad guy role. You did an excellent job handling the toughest job at any event.
Announcers: excellent job keeping the excitement of the game flowwing
Volunteers: THANK YOU to each and every one of you for your hard work and dedication to making MARC a success. Because of your committment MARC is what it is today.

Comments that I have been hearing:

The gym is smoking hot and needs to be addressed. Trust me, I know and felt this (as I passed-out friday afternoon and hit my head on the bathroom floor). Still trying to clear my head after that one. Currently, this is an item before our school board to have A/C installed in the gym. If that doesn't work, then next year we are going to try and get some rental AC's for the gym.

Mentor rounds are to long: I agree that it was to much and next year we are going to limit it to the first twelve teams. We might do a charity thing like IRI and charge a fee ($25-$50) per team and give the money to the winning alliance charity of choice.

Pig roast was awesome: I think the pig roast was great and we are definately going to make this a yearly part of MARC. However, with everything new you learn from some mistakes. I am sorry for those people that were not able to get some of Wilbur and had to wait for the pulled pork. It was brought to my attention that people went back for seconds/thirds before everyone got some food. For this I apologize. Next year, each team will have to sign-up for the pig roast ahead of time and pay $1 per person (wil be part of registration) and tickets will be given to the team at registration. This will help us know how many people we will need to feed. After everyone has had their meal, then we will open the line for second/thirds. The $1 per person fee will just go towards our event charity.
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Re: General Post MARC discussion

The event was absolutely wonderful. Too many positives to list. The pig roast was awesome, the volunteers were incredible, I couldn't stop laughing when Mr. MC brought out is phone to start reading trivia questions... it was great!

I'm not sure how anyone can think that the mentor rounds were too long (unless perhaps they were people not actually playing in them?). The ONE time a year the mentors get to go let it hang out - please don't begrudge us folks who can't go to IRI our little bit of fun. Heck, I'd happily pay the money to do it.... but too long? Hardly.

Do the pig roast and the mentor rounds at the same time. But don't exclude mentors from participating. It should be a good clue that these are a GREAT idea when 24 of the 32 teams signed up for them!!!!

Negatives:
1. Teams. PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE UNTIL THE AWARDS ARE OVER. 32 teams and I think you could count the teams in the stands for the final awards on 2 hands. That's disappointing to say the least. 30 minutes is not going to kill you. There's really not much of an excuse for skipping the awards ceremony other than laziness.

2. Non-serpentine draft and 4 team alliances. The 4 team alliances added a lot of extra un-needed confusion during the playoffs. The non-serpentine draft makes it even more difficult for teams 4-8 to compete. Use the standard FIRST model. I found it interesting when the non-serpentine draft was announced and the stands went nearly silent - I'm not sure if that was shock or uncertainty. Or, if you insist on using the non-serpentine draft, then make it so the top 8 can't pick one another.

3. Bathrooms. 1 stall for all the males there. Yikes. I don't need to tell you how pleasant that bathroom was by the end of the day....

4. Heat. It wasn't REALLY that bad. It was warm, but not earth-shatteringly so. Last year was much worse.
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1. Teams. PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE UNTIL THE AWARDS ARE OVER. 32 teams and I think you could count the teams in the stands for the final awards on 2 hands. That's disappointing to say the least. 30 minutes is not going to kill you. There's really not much of an excuse for skipping the awards ceremony other than laziness.
then make it so the top 8 can't pick one another.
You needed two hands to count them?!? Yes, I agree though. All the teams left right after their final matches. This seems very un-gracious-professionalist. As a volunteer/staff, it can feel like an insult when everybody is running out of the place. However, it was (a little) better than last year.
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I understand what is being said about staying to the end, and I thing our team stayed.(And I agree) But, to be fair to some that left I had people asking me (who had no clue) if I knew "is the event was over"? I think that some award were handed out before the finals and some after. Maybe if all the awards were handed out after the finals more teams would stay. Over all I really had a great time this week and would like to thank Steve and the hosts teams. I think you have a great event and I look forward to next year.

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I think the event was very well done for the price.

Here are the positives and negatives. Please note that the negatives are not complaints and in many cases not a big deal, treat them as areas that can be improved.

Positives (in no particular order)

1) There are 13 matches to allow teams to rotate their drivers, whether they want to use it to evaluate their potential drivers for next year or just let everybody have a chance to drive the robot and have fun since not everybody got to drive it during regular season.

2) The mentors match was fun with 8 alliances and 24 teams. We won it with Team 47 and Team 1718. I truly appreciate how difficult it is to drive the robot to exactly where you want it. The matches were low scoring and the field was filled with missed throws and dumps/shots by robots. I would say keep it. A suggestion is to make it into part of the fundraising event and charge a small fee $10 to enter. This may reduce the number of alliances down to 4 and not take up as much time. However I don't think it was too much of a problem. Most teams went to the pig roast after their mentor matches were done. It actually is a good way to avoid a very long line if everybody goes at the same time.

3) The door jambs were removed to allow easier flow of traffic. The pit layout is better than last year even with more teams.

4) There are teams from Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio which was great. I hope they tell other teams in their area to come next year. Because of the Michigan district model, teams in Michigan do not get too many chances to meet teams from outside of Michigan.

Negatives (in no particular order)

1) I think 12 matches just like the regular season would be enough. It will cut down on the length a little.

2) One restroom is not adequate for the number of people there. There is only one stall in the men's room and people were standing outside waiting quite a bit. If the school will not open up another one, you will need to bring in portable ones.

3) There was no list of teams or pit maps. It was very difficult to find teams. A piece on paper on the table got covered very easily. There should either be a stand at each pit, a pit map for every team or at least one posted on the wall. Even the pit administration do not know where teams are.

4) The heat was a problem in the gym but the pit area was nice and cool.

5) Four teams to an alliance in the elimination round does not work. I understand the inclusive part of it. This has been discussed many times on CD. Do you want the best robots in the elimination round to make it an exciting sporting event like the Michigan State Championship to attract more good teams to come like IRI or do you want to let everybody plays? The qualifying rounds served no purpose.
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