Most Offensive Regional/ M District

[jmanela]

Last night I was wondering something, which regional/ district was the most offensive thus far. I took the average seeding points from each of the regionals (and Michigan Districts) and averaged those. I got the average seeding points per team to be around 57.79 points. This was pretty consistent with most the competitions, except one. At the Kettering competition the average seeding points were 89.86.

I then looked at the highest ranked team from each of the competitions and their Seeding scores. The highest was the HOT team at Kettering with 168 points. The next highest seeding score from any other competition was team 1922 at granite state with 126 seeding points. Just one more fact, the top 5 seeds at Kettering were all at, or above this benchmark.

What's up with that?

[GaryVoshol]

Did you consider "per matches played"?

And congrats to your team. If people don't know you, they will soon.

[Paul Copioli]

Michigan districts play 12 matches and the rest of the country plays 10. Taking Hot's 168 and multiplying by 10/12 gets them 140 based on 10 matches. It is still much higher, but with this years seeding system, regionals that are offensive and close will have much higher seeding points that have larger disparities between teams. Kettering had a lot of closely matched teams with some over achievers.

[Adam Freeman]

We were very fortunate to win a match that ended 12 - 11 w/o penalties. That resulted in an incredible 34 seeding points! Without that match, our normalized seeding points would be much closer to the rest of the week one regional 1st seeds.

The interesting thing is that we always had a robot dedicated to defending the other alliances home zone. Basically, the "new" way of determining the rankings had very little effect on our overall strategy. It seems pretty simple to me...if you win all your matches the x2 points you get will be enough to push you towards the top. For me, the best way to win is to score alot of points and attempt to limit your opponent scoring (to a point).

Ofcourse, we will continuously evaluate our strategy as the competition level rises.

[jmanela]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

Did you consider "per matches played"?

And congrats to your team. If people don't know you, they will soon.

Michigan districts play 12 matches and the rest of the country plays 10. Taking Hot's 168 and multiplying by 10/12 gets them 140 based on 10 matches.

I had a feeling someone might ask something like that, I then looked at the Traverse City regional and found that their average seeding score was in the ballpark with the rest of the regional competitions. I also multiplied the top team at Traverse City's seeding points (1918 with 109) by 10/12 like Paul did and found that it was about 91 (about average considering the rest of the regionals across the country).

[Tyler Hicks]

Traverse City had a lot of low scoring matches. By next week I'm sure the scores will be in the ballpark of 7-10 pts average for the winning alliance.

[Ed Law]

We 2834 were in that match with 67 and 33 at Kettering that Adam was talking about and we got that 34 points also. We were also very fortunate to get crushed by 910 12-2 in one match getting 12 points for losing. (This system is very messed up)

One thing I feel that Michigan teams will play differently comparing to the rest of the regionals is that Michigan teams play to win. This is because of the way how we qualify for State Championship. Win gets 2 points and losing just to get high seeding scores gets 0 points towards your ranking for qualifying for the State Championship. (I am glad we are in Michigan.) At Kettering, there was only 1 match that one alliance threw their last match to get higher seeding scores. We were tempted to do that at our last match but decided against it.

Despite FIRST GDC's good intention to encourage us to "cooperate" with other teams to get co-opertition points, it is against what I teach my students to do to always try their very best, even though there is no hope of catching up. Isn't that what sportsmanship is about? I refuse to play that game just to rank higher.

[s_forbes]

I was using this spreadsheet to look at match scores as they were going up. I stuck in a column for each regional that has average seeding points per match for each team at each regional. From the numbers, Kettering looks like it's had the highest scoring going on so far.

Has anyone done any OPR numbers for any of the week 1 regionals yet? I'm wondering how useful the data will be when all of these 6v0 matches start popping up.

[Ed Law]

I will be doing the OPR numbers when I have time. I will report on it.