Breakaway Elimination Strategy

[Roborocker87]

Assuming the following:
Ignore the Qualification Matches, these strategies are only for Elimination, where winning means something.
Assume you can pick any alliance within reason. (i.e. a middle-long range bot+ a defender + a herding bot would be a possible team makeup.)

What were the most effective strategies that you have seen played out?

[Koko Ed]

You should probably change the title of the thread too Breakaway Elimination Strategy so it doesn't look like you are going over other strategy threads that have already made.

[commodoredl]

In our elimination matches, we went with a standard one robot in each zone setup for almost all cases. The alliance of 217, 1551 and 174 who won the championship, would start out one in each zone, then after 217 shot their balls in autonomous, 174 and 217 would switch places, allowing 217 to continue racking up points. The main strategy to emerge as successful was one strong midfielder with good abilities deflecting balls, an efficient scorer, and a defensive robot to assist the midfielder and slow down the opposition. It also helped to have a hanging robot in the alliance to save a close game at the end.
To defeat 217, 1551, and 174, we switched our formation to one offense and two midfielders, allowing us to box out 1551 and deny 217 balls long enough for us to even the score.

[Grim Tuesday]

An interesting fact, 174 could only push balls, and it was REALLY GOOD AT IT!

I can't personally comment on strategy during elimination, due to the fact that when our alliance played, two of our alliances robots were offline.
What seemed to work well for other teams was to have your fastest robot in the defending zone, because if they could out-maneuver the offending robot, then it was almost impossible to score.

Another thing, hanging was highly situational, based on the amount of balls in the offensive zone.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Scoring more points than the other team.

[Grim Tuesday]

Originally Posted by TomBot

Scoring more points than the other team.

I disagree. Playing good defense was just as, or more important.

[ttldomination]

Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday

I disagree. Playing good defense was just as, or more important.

So let me get this straight...in the elimination rounds you do not agree with scoring more points than the other alliance? Well, I'll be dammed...that's one heck of a strategy.

In finals, we *tried* to do what everyone else did, that is one defender in far zone, one ball relayer in the middle and a consistent scorer in the near zone, but all three positions were very poorly executed and therefore we took hard losses.

[Paul Copioli]

I can tell you the best strategy is to not have one strategy. The only loss we took was due to us not changing our strategy when dictated by the other alliance's play. The 1511/3157 alliance changed their strategy and we did not adjust. We learned this lesson and had a few "option" strategies based on how they defended us.

The elimination round version of this game is very exciting.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

I can tell you the best strategy is to not have one strategy. The only loss we took was due to us not changing our strategy when dictated by the other alliance's play. The 1511/3157 alliance changed their strategy and we did not adjust. We learned this lesson and had a few "option" strategies based on how they defended us.

The elimination round version of this game is very exciting.

It would be nice if the whole game was like the elims.
Who know? Maybe people would actually enjoy watching qualification matches! (WHAT A REVELATION!!!!)
Ah well, there's always the off season.

[Grim Tuesday]

I see quite alot of people here from FLR...
See ya at Ruckus!

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday

I see quite alot of people here from FLR...
See ya at Ruckus!

Please do come.
It's 24 (or more) or bust this year!

[V_Chip]

E-M-P . . .


However, in all seriousness I agree that it would serve wise to have a very strong defense in the far zone. A highly maneuverable robot would possess the qualities necessary to deny the opposing alliance any soccer balls to score.

In BAE 1073 and their alliance reigned victorious over 78 and their alliance members through the aid of this tactic. 78 was in their own near zone and attempting to score. However, whenever their vacuum would gain possession of a soccer ball, the defending robot would tap/ram (perspective) them so they lost hold of the game piece. Hence, denying them from successfully scoring much needed points.

[BrendanB]

Originally Posted by Vector MycroftH

E-M-P . . .


However, in all seriousness I agree that it would serve wise to have a very strong defense in the far zone. A highly maneuverable robot would possess the qualities necessary to deny the opposing alliance any soccer balls to score.

In BAE 1073 and their alliance reigned victorious over 78 and their alliance members through the aid of this tactic. 78 was in their own near zone and attempting to score. However, whenever their vacuum would gain possession of a soccer ball, the defending robot would tap/ram (perspective) them so they lost hold of the game piece. Hence, denying them from successfully scoring much needed points.

Haha, many times it was a lighter ram due to our driver trying to get away from 134 (they are REALLY good at defense), but most of the time all three robots (two red one blue) were together as a group making it impossible for balls to be shot. We have a picture that they sent to us with them pushing our robot and we have two wheels on the ground. With two strong drive trains going at it, you will have airborne robots.

Our strategy was very plain. One bot in each zone, one defense two offense.

[Norman J]

Originally Posted by TomBot

Scoring more points than the other team.

Genius! Why didn't I think of that.

[Tetraman]

I'm going to go out on a limb, and claim that the winning alliance on Einstein is going to be a team with the exact capabilities as the FLR winners 1551, 217 and 174, with the only difference being either 217 or 174 can also hang at the same near 100% consistency that 1551 did.

And I'll be very honest, if there was any alliance that would have defeated 1551, 217 and 174, it would have been 578, 3157, and 1511. If 1511 could use their hanger, it would have been curtains for the Grape Chicken Warriors.