Einstein Field: Division Winner Predictions

[V_Chip]

Currently, there is an individual thread for each division; be it Archimedes, Curie, Galileo, or Newton: the underlying discussion always flows towards the "powerhouses". Who has the best chance of making it to Einstein?

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...nt.aspx?id=432

I decided to make this thread in order to discuss this in one place, rather than going from thread-to-thread.

So, Chief Delphi community, WHO will breakaway from the wide assortment of teams to make it to Einstein? To the TOP?

Let the Buzzing begin.

[Zach O]

I know in Curie several people are talking about seeing 1114 and 469 team up and take it all. I'm gonna wait until I see a few matches on Thursday before I make a call though.

[Akash Rastogi]

Just wait for Looking Forward's Championship predictions. I have a feeling they will be really well written and insightful. More than anything people will post up in this thread.

In the mean time....67 and 125 for Newton, if all goes well for our friends in Boston

[Ian Curtis]

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi

Just wait for Looking Forward's Championship predictions. I have a feeling they will be really well written and insightful. More than anything people will post up in this thread.

In the mean time....67 and 125 for Newton, if all goes well for our friends in Boston

Excuse the mild threadjacking, but what was holding up 125 in Boston? Why were the balls missing the robot so much, and why wasn't it an easy fix? When they caught the ball, it seemed like their direction mechanism actually worked better than 469.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by iCurtis

Excuse the mild threadjacking, but what was holding up 125 in Boston? Why were the balls missing the robot so much, and why wasn't it an easy fix? When they caught the ball, it seemed like their direction mechanism actually worked better than 469.

They have a few variables in their system.

1) The ball first bounces on one of the horizontal bars of the ball return so this variable greatly effects the behavior of the ball in thier system.

2) Speed variations of the ball coming down the ball return would change the free-fall of the ball from their director dramatically (I know right, "no duh" moment).

3) They are able to adjust the angle of their robot once they hang, so yet again, variable.

But even with slight problems, we were all stunned that they were not selected in Boston because
1) They guarantee a hanging bonus

2) They direct the ball into the near zone, who cares if it doesn't go into the goal???

I really don't think people in Boston understood the real value of a robot that guarantees balls returning to the near zone.

[rcmolloy]

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi

I really don't think people in Boston understood the real value of a robot that guarantees balls returning to the near zone.

That's exactly what we do but we can also play other stratagies. It's difficult though Akash for teams to select just ball deflector teams. You really need to be more valuable than that. If you can hustle around the field during a match as well as deflect (us), it's not a bad choice. I hope we can get a good place on a great alliance in Archimedes this year!

[Chris is me]

My gut predictions for now, I'll do more detailed revisions and analysis later.

Newton: 177, 971, 125
Galileo: 2056, 217, 51
Curie: 469, 1732, 2775
Archimedes: 1519, 148, 1124

[johnr]

No predictions, but a question. Lets say Curie ends early and 1114-469- ? are teamed up before you make picks on the other fields. Do you biuld your alliance to win your field and hope it is good enough to bet the before mentioned alliance or do you build your alliance to beat super alliance and hope you are good enough to win your field? Are they the same thing?

[Katie_UPS]

If 1114 and 469 meet up (which they will unless someone else gets number 1 seed and freezes up picking) then the god-alliance will have greeted the earth and only super-strategy combined with super-teams will be able to maybe overthrow them.
If they don't then I'm hoping for 1732 to be the first Wisconsin team on einstein.



EDIT: I have minor bouts of Dyslexia with numbers.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by Katie_UPS

If 1114 and 496 meet up (which they will unless someone else gets number 1 seed and freezes up picking) then the god-alliance will have greeted the earth and only super-strategy combined with super-teams will be able to maybe overthrow them.
If they don't then I'm hoping for 1732 to be the first Wisconsin team on einstein.

Yea that 496 is a tough team.

[Katie_UPS]

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi

Yea that 496 is a tough team.

Hush you.

(see updated post)

[Grim Tuesday]

I think that 365 will make a splash at Galileo. They are one of the best midfielder that I have seen in a long time--they have auto targeting that actually works.

As we say in Philly...GO MOE!

[sammyjalex]

Originally Posted by johnr

No predictions, but a question. Lets say Curie ends early and 1114-469- ? are teamed up before you make picks on the other fields. Do you biuld your alliance to win your field and hope it is good enough to bet the before mentioned alliance or do you build your alliance to beat super alliance and hope you are good enough to win your field? Are they the same thing?

I, personally, am a strong advocate of the belief that 1114 and 469 will ally, but it is possible to beat them, just as I believe 469 can be beaten alone. I believe the alliance to get to Einstein with three robots adept at both pinning and midfield scoring will have a strong shot. If an alliance can effectively pin 469 in midfield for the entire 2.25 minutes, which has not yet been done but only valiently attempted best I believe by the killer bees and More martians, or both 469 and the third partner using one robot and the other two robots or even one can just quickly score from midfield starving 1114 of balls, this alliance can be possibly defeated. I don't believe you can build an alliance for your division separately from an alliance to win Einstein, you have to build the best possible alliance. In no way should the best possible alliance be thrown together without considering the versatility and full advantage of each partner on the alliance. From the captain to the third partner, every robot on the alliance can and should be dominant.

[jblay]

Originally Posted by johnr

No predictions, but a question. Lets say Curie ends early and 1114-469- ? are teamed up before you make picks on the other fields. Do you biuld your alliance to win your field and hope it is good enough to bet the before mentioned alliance or do you build your alliance to beat super alliance and hope you are good enough to win your field? Are they the same thing?

I don't think that there is any team arrogant enough to try and do this. You have to build your alliance to win your field especially since you know that the 469 alliance can be defeated and won't necessarily make Einstein.

[Racer26]

What would be cool, is to see 1114 on Einstein, squaring off against 2056 for the title. Win 2 regionals together this season (7 total, of 1114's 14 and 2056's 8), and face off on Einstein for all the marbles.

They played a few matches against each other at WAT and GTR, and 1114 consistently came out on top.