MARC 2010 Update #3

[Steve Ketron]

I know that I have said that MARC is going back to the standard W-L-T SEEDING SYSTEM. However after consulting with several members of the MARC Staff, I am rescinding that statement and making a final decision to stick with the original seeding system for this years game. One of my advising members said it best and I am copying and pasting it here:

"The goal, if there was to be a change in seeding, is to somehow make it more desirable to go after a 5-3 win rather than deliberately losing 0-20 in a 6v0 game. I've looked at tweaking the formula, using different additive or multiplicative factors for a win, lots of things. The best algorithm I can come up with is keeping the winner's seeding the same, but giving the loser the average of the winning and losing score. But that depends on being able to hack the field system, or create a new ranking system.
A side issue is scoring for the opponents to increase your seeding score (while you still win). There's nothing much any system that is based on coopertition can do about that. If the losing alliance score is a benefit to the winning alliance, there will be the incentive to score for the opponents no matter what the system.

I wouldn't like to go to a straight W/T/L system. That gives equal weighting to a 1-0 win and a 11-10 win. Clearly the latter should be rewarded more. The coopertition bonus did that."

As for the alliance selection, we will be going with 4 team alliances, 1-8, 8-1, 1-8 and every alliance partner has to play in at least one elimination match.

Thank you Jack, Lisa, Gary and the rest of the reffing crew for your inputs into this decision. Game changing rules will be posted soon.

[Craig Roys]

Originally Posted by Steve Ketron

As for the alliance selection, we will be going with 4 team alliances, 1-8, 8-1, 1-8 and every alliance partner has to play in at least one elimination match.

Is that at least one elimination match per round or are you saying that the winning alliance must have had every robot play at least one match overall during the entire eliminations?

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by Craig Roys

Is that at least one elimination match per round or are you saying that the winning alliance must have had every robot play at least one match overall during the entire eliminations?

I believe Steve earlier stated it was the latter, the backup must play at least once.

That effectively means that if you lose the first match in the QF's, you have to play the other robot in the second match in case you get knocked out. And then the same applies in the SF's and F's if you have not yet played your backup robot.

[XaulZan11]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

That effectively means that if you lose the first match in the QF's, you have to play the other robot in the second match in case you get knocked out. And then the same applies in the SF's and F's if you have not yet played your backup robot.

Is this correct? Does every alliance need to play their backup or just the winning alliance?

I hope it is the latter. I would hate to lose a really close 1st match and then be forced to play my backup and lose.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

Is this correct? Does every alliance need to play their backup or just the winning alliance?

I hope it is the latter. I would hate to lose a really close 1st match and then be forced to play my backup and lose.

Also, what's the penalty if you don't? You'll... lose the tournament?

[Chris Hibner]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

Is this correct? Does every alliance need to play their backup or just the winning alliance?

I hope it is the latter. I would hate to lose a really close 1st match and then be forced to play my backup and lose.

I'd like to know what the clarification is on this.

[wheezy voice] In the old days... [/wheezy voice] of 2v2 when we drafted backup robots the rule was you couldn't advance unless you played both robots. Therefore, if you lost you didn't have to change.

[Steve Ketron]

Originally Posted by Craig Roys

Is that at least one elimination match per round or are you saying that the winning alliance must have had every robot play at least one match overall during the entire eliminations?

I'm saying that the winning alliance must have had every robot play at least one match overall during the entire eliminations.

[GaryVoshol]

So can we make one more update?

There will be a break in the action between the QF and SF matches, while the US/Ghana game is shown on the large screen.

This will be the only time vuvuzelas will be allowed in the gym.

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

So can we make one more update?

There will be a break in the action between the QF and SF matches, while the US/Ghana game is shown on the large screen.

This will be the only time vuvuzelas will be allowed in the gym.

I second this!!

[548swimmer]

Is this another of the 5 acceptable uses?

[Basel A]

Originally Posted by 548swimmer

Is this another of the 5 acceptable uses?

I love XKCD jokes.

[BX MARK]

Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry

I second this!!

I Third it!!!

[Jason Law]

Fourthedededed? But anyways, that would be really cool.

Excited!