rule G57

[team1203 4life]

Hello my team and i have been re-reading the rules like we always do the week before we ship and we came across rule G57

"During the TELEOPERATED PERIOD, FEEDERS may enter LOGO PIECES onto the FIELD by using the FEEDING SLOTS or by throwing the LOGO PIECE over the top of the FEEDER STATION wall. LOGO PIECES may not be thrown around the side of the FEEDER STATION wall. Violation: PENALTY"

now are plan was to have our robot drive up to the wall and our human player hand the logo piece right over the wall to the robot now it dose not say that is illegal but dosnt say its legal any ideas please help

[MrForbes]

Sounds like your plan is not one of the two ways that you are allowed to get game pieces onto the field.

You can ask Q&A for a more definitive answer.

[dtengineering]

Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't say how FAR you have to throw the game pieces over the wall.

Jason

[Basel A]

I'd guess that is legal as long as the robot doesn't cross the plane.. While feeding the tubes over the wall isn't explicitly stated, I imagine it'd be allowable. Ask Q&A to get it verified.

[GaryVoshol]

Beware <G31>:

<G31> ROBOTS, HOSTBOTS, nor MINIBOTS may not touch anything outside the FIELD boundary. Violation: Disablement

If your ROBOT is reaching over the ALLIANCE STATION wall to get a GAME PIECE, that piece is outside the FIELD. But if your ROBOT is just extending up near the wall, and the FEEDER passes the GAME PIECE over the wall to it, I don't see a violation.

Ask Q&A to be sure. Something general like, "Can a ROBOT and a FEEDER both be in contact with a GAME PIECE at the same time?"

[Alpha Beta]

We tried to pass it over the wall in 2007. It required a great deal of concentraton on the part of the human player. Referees watched very closely to see if the human player or robot broke the plane of the field barrier. It was our rookie year and I know we had at least 1 penalty that cost our team a match. If your team ends up prone to penalties because of this maneuver other teams may shy away from picking you when it comes to the elimination draft.

On the other hand we had several matches where the strategy worked very well. It can be done.

[team1203 4life]

The way our arm is designed our robot can not breack the plane of the playing field so all our bot will need to do is drive into the wall and we'll be in position

[MCahoon]

I'm curious. How did you determined that it is better to reach up 6 1/2 feet to accept a tube from the HP over the wall, rather than reaching up 4 feet to accept a tube from the HP through the feedslot?

[2611.Shooter]

because than the tube is already up by the top rack, and you do not have to lift the arm as far, i am thinking. am i right 1203?

[team1203 4life]

actually it was just the way we designed our arm that it would work easier that way and our arm works so nice

[Retired Starman]

Consider this rule:

<G36> GAME PIECES may not be intentionally placed out of bounds. Violation: PENALTY and YELLOW CARD

The process of passing a game piece over the wall where possession is taken to the robot puts the game piece intentionally out of bounds while being held by the robot. I doubt if such an action would be allowed since the human would have to hold the piece while at the same time the robot would take hold of it. The human can't reach over the wall, nor can the robot reach over the wall. That means the game piece must be held across the boundary while being grasped by the robot, at which point the robot has intentionally placed the game piece out of bounds.

But I'm not the Game Design Committee, so ask them.